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Pay: FTE: £19,000

Discussion in 'Teaching assistants' started by Dairlylea, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. As a TA in Surrrey, I am on a 39 week contract. My pay is spread over the 52 weeks, but I only get paid the hours I work. Basically no pay for a quarter of the year. I am under the impression that in other areas TAs get paid for different numbers of weeks, some for 52. My HT is always saying I get paid almost £20,000 ( she is obsessed with pay!) but simply cannot understand that if I worked every hour the school is open I could not work for more than 27.5 hours. FTE is obviously for a 37 hour week, 52 weeks of the year. My gripe is that my earnings are limited. If you divide my earnings by 52 weeks and 37 hours it comes up under the minimum pay. I cannot work in the holidays (possibly could 'temp') so how is it right that these local governments are allowed to say our Full Time Equivalent? Full time in a school is not the same as full time in the majority of other industries. Grumpyxx
     
  2. As a TA in Surrrey, I am on a 39 week contract. My pay is spread over the 52 weeks, but I only get paid the hours I work. Basically no pay for a quarter of the year. I am under the impression that in other areas TAs get paid for different numbers of weeks, some for 52. My HT is always saying I get paid almost £20,000 ( she is obsessed with pay!) but simply cannot understand that if I worked every hour the school is open I could not work for more than 27.5 hours. FTE is obviously for a 37 hour week, 52 weeks of the year. My gripe is that my earnings are limited. If you divide my earnings by 52 weeks and 37 hours it comes up under the minimum pay. I cannot work in the holidays (possibly could 'temp') so how is it right that these local governments are allowed to say our Full Time Equivalent? Full time in a school is not the same as full time in the majority of other industries. Grumpyxx
     
  3. R13

    R13 New commenter

    I'm not for one minute saying assistants are paid well enough - they are not - BUT to answer your question to some extent.

    In my school the site manager is on the same Local Authority pay Scale as some assistants. the difference is that with play schemes etc. he does work 37 hours a week and 52 weeks a year. Do you think he shouldn't get anymore money when he starts at 6.30 in the morning rather than 9.00, and he works 52 weeks minus about 25 days holiday?

    As I say - I don't think assistants get paid well enough - but that's the logic
     
  4. snugglepot

    snugglepot Occasional commenter

    Welcome to Single Status!

    There are only a few counties left who are still receiving old pay scales.
     
  5. I think 39 weeks is the norm in most places now, it makes me cross that I don't get paid for training days, yet I have friends who are TAs in schools a short walk away who are. In the 2011 list of uk pay educational assistants were the 398th lowest paid out of 422 jobs. Midday supervisors deserve sympathy they came 422nd! I assume we are so low precisely because we can only work during term time. I love my job but I am not sure I can afford to remain a TA for much longer.
     
  6. Ophelia 9

    Ophelia 9 New commenter

    39 weeks does include training days - children are only in school for 38 weeks of the year. Unless you have to do another 5 days outside of normal school weeks and training days, which I believe some areas do. However there do seem to be quite a number of people who post on here who actually don't know what their pay is made up of. I would be surprised if anyone on a permanent contract doesn't get a holiday entitlement paid pro-rata so that the actual wage is around 39 weeks plus 8 bank holidays and a proportion of whatever basic holiday rate is, e.g. 20 days per year, making a total of around 42 - 46 weeks pay split equally over 12 months.
    However, if you are on a temporary contract whcih does only pay for the days you actually work you should be taking this up with a union as it is not appropriate and can be challenged. Do mget in touch with your HR department and clarify what you wages are actually based on - it is not unknown for them to being paying you incorrectly - I got back three years arrears becasue I realised I wasn't being paid my correct holiday entitlement based on my long service - not a lot of money on an average month but quite a nice little payback with it having gone on so long!
     
  7. This is the problem, I understand, with pro rata pay.
     
  8. glenn_xp

    glenn_xp New commenter

    £19,000 FTE is a lot of money for a TA.
     
  9. Up until a few years ago, some of the TAs where I work, me included, were on a 52 wk contract. A scheme called harmonisation happened and our contracts were changed, in order to protect our wages we now work from 8:15-5, with 30 minutes for lunch plus one day in each of the holidays. This upset lots of people, I was personally just glad to protect my pay as I have a mortagage etc.
    I don't think there are many places where they still have 52 wk contracts. Its a shame as the reason we were given the original 52 wk contract was because they agreed with what you are saying, and were loosing good members of staff because of it, sadly there just isnt the money any more.
    I believe we are in for a second round of Harmonisation soon, a national scheme to bring pay better in line across the country... you can garuntee they'll take it down to the lowest rather than up to the highest... fingers crossed I will have my degree by then and start my teacher training but lots of my colleagues aren't in the same situation as me, I wonder what will happen then :-(
     
  10. This issue is not new. I've worked on and off as a TA for many years (18 ?) and have never been paid for more than term time plus holiday pro rata. Most recently I was on a 26 hour week contract ( we started late on one day a week when there was a long assembly).
    It is not a living wage! For me,this was fine until my husband decided to leave and I was faced with supporting myself.
    I feel it's a double bind when working tax credit, once children are no longer at home, doesn't kick in unless you work at least 30 hours. Schools could not run these days without TA's, but we're not valued by the system. I have felt very valued by staff within the school, which goes a long way, but doesn't pay the gas bill. At least some sort of retainer over the school holidays would recognise that realistically we can't just find other work to make up our hours/weeks.
    I suspect the main problem is one of supply and demand. Whilst there are plenty of parents happy to earn a low wage but have time off when their children do, no-one will feel the need to pay us better.
    I'm lucky and now have some contracted teaching hours, so will not have to leave education when my son does, but still wanted to post and show solidarity!
     
  11. Fte £19000- I wish! I work 37hours pw for 39 weeks -granted my pay is spread over 12 monthly salaries but for the £900 net per month I'm certainly good value for money when you consider I have a degree and specialist educational knowledge and can cover for a teacher when it suits the head. And the reason I cannot get a rise - there is no money in the budget to support rises in ta grades. I am looking for other employment but in today's climate they are few and far between! It's about time local governments recognised our talents and true values!
     
  12. I was given to understand that in 2005 Central Government became involved in support staff pay and conditions so all were on the same pay scale - different 'ladders'. At this time the pay for my position was reduced by £800 p.a. with a pay freeze which is still in place. Over 15 years I have worked as a Nursery Nurse, Pupil Support Assistant - with danger money, Learning Support Assistant - without danger money, Specialist Teaching Assistant and Teaching Assistant Level 2 (all the same job supporting children with Emotional, Social, Behavioural Development problems - hence the danger money initially) and worked my way up to the wage I was earning. I was paid only if the child I supported attended school, bank holidays and, after five years, five weeks holiday pay; after around 2000 I was also paid for five training days - pro rata. Since 2007 I have worked as an Inclusion Support Assistant KS2 and Year group Teaching Assistant. All my experience and qualifications count for nothing as a newly qualified Classroom Assistant earns the same under this system. Unless I change schools (I have been here 10 years and enjoy working alongside the staff) I will not receive the same level of pay I was on prior to 2005 if I work for the rest of my life. Every time someone messes with the pay scale my wage drops, expectations raise, moral drops. If it wasn't for the children and the people I work with the job would not be worth it. ps. Teaching Assistant Levels 3 and 4 are saleried - paid 52 weeks x their contracted hours.
     
  13. Hi I am a level 3 and only get paid term time as are others at my school, so not everybody who is level 3 gets 52 weeks pay :(
    I think we should though as I still spend time during the holidays working at home planning and creating resources.
     
  14. I'm an LSO and only get paid for 39 weeks and spread of 52 as well, but our Local Authority is under going job evaluation at the moment and we are to expect a pay cut, they have placed us in a job family Learning Support Level 2, but all the work we undertake is in Level 3, but because the only thing we don't do is cover supervisor we will not get paid Level 3 rate. My FTE is only approx £17,000 that's before they cut my pay. Level 3 and Level 4 in our area do not get paid for 52 weeks either
     
  15. Hi
    This is my first time posting although I've been eagerly reading and keeping up with the
    blog for a couple of years now. I have been a TA for 4 years. I work 29.5 hours a week
    8.15 -2.25. Term time plus 5 days. My gross annual salary is less than £11,000 but
    I get great holidays to spend with my 14 year old son.
    I work in a very hard and challenging inner city school where some of the students have
    great issues, as I am sure do many of you.
    I gave up a £25,000 a year sales job with a company car and fantastic bonus potential
    because I wanted to give something back. I work many extra hours, over and above and
    believe that I do great job and that I'm worth every penny but I do feel that TAs are poorly
    paid. Whilst ever I can afford to work for this kind of wage, I will remain in the Education sector
    as I love my job but being a single parent on a low wage can stretch the coiffers sometimes.
    And I don't think TAs are always fully appreciated and often looked upon as the poor relations.
     
  16. I would check your contract of employment. Most local Authorities only pay TA's for hours worked e.g 39 weeks per year term time and 4 weeks holiday pay. In my Local Authority, after 12 months you are transferred to a permanent contract from a temporary one and you can then opt to have your 43 weeks per year salary split equally over 52 weeks of the year. At least this helps with budgeting etc, although, we do not get paid for inset days and if we are asked to work, take the time in lieu if there is no money in the budget for OT pay. I would also check your contract too as you will find most TA's are employed on permanent 0 hours contracts meaning, with a months notice your hours can reduce to 0 if ther is no more money left to pay TA'S - that's what our contract's are with our local authority! As a HLTA, I only get paid the extra rate when I am covering too - which is currently 2.5 days per week, on my own - same as the class teacher, but without the same salary! Does make you wonder if it is all worth it really.....
     
  17. The very reason that I left work after having my baby. I earned just less than £12,000 for my 39 week year. Childcare is £35 a day so £175 a week. This has to be paid for 52 weeks of the year despite me not requiring them during school holidays. Holidays at nursery must be paid anyway in order to 'keep the place open' so this is £9100 a year. My school would not allow flexible working so I had to drop my little girl off before 8am. This was another £10 a day or £2600 a year. My train fare was £4.50 a day or £1170 a year. My job was going to cost £12870 a year so I would have been nearly £1000 out of pocket.
    Add to this that I would never have had time to eat during the day, let alone express breastmilk. My little girl would have to get up at 5.30 each morning to allow time to eat breakfast, walk her to nursery and walk to the station to catch my train.
    What about tax credits I hear you ask! The estimate, based our joint income was a helpful £566. So it would only have cost £304 a year for me to get someone else who I didn't know to raise my child and would have been forced to give up the breastfeeding, the best start I could provide. No thank you!
    Add to this that I would never have had time to eat during the day, let alone
     
  18. Im a hlta and I am not on a salary nor are the rest of the hlta's in my school, yet our ht has the same expectations of us as the teachers
     
  19. Hi

    I am a HLTA in a high school and I manage a team of 23 TAs in my school. They all get paid for 26 hrs 15 mins a week and 43.33 weeks a year. This takes into consideration working 5 hours a day plus a 15 mins paid break each day. They are paid on a pro rata basis and their full time equivalent slary would be £14700.00 per year. They actually work 37 weeks per year the rest is holiday pay which they are leagally entitled to on a pro rata basis. If you are not paid like this the only thing that I can think is that your annual salary is higher to reflect this.
    When I was a TA I had 3 jobs, 25 hours in school, 10 hour per week after school at a football club mentoring scheme called "Playing for Success" and a Saturday and holiday job. There are always ways to make extra money if you really want to.
    At my school nealy all the TAs also do lunchtime duties that they get paid extra for and this also can add up to an extra £1000.00 per year if you work 5 half hours a week.

    I understand how you feel about the full time equivalent thing though. I now work 37 hours a week which my local council say is full time but I still don't get paid for 52 weeks a year. It depends how many hours you work as to how many weeks you get paid for I get paid for 47.47 weeks.
    I hope this helps
     
  20. Thank you to everyone for your views . I think the various answers show that HLTAs are treated in many different ways. I am lucky that my HT has decided to pay me at the HLTA level for all hours I work. One of the points I was trying to get across was that although the FTE may be good, none of us can ever reach that level, as the schools are not open enough hours in a week or year to qualify. I agree that we all knew this when we started. However, it means that a section of society are unable to earn the minimum wage in reality. We cannot claim benefits in the holidays, cannot get extra hours from the school in the holidays etc.Is it right for government to add the FTE to the job advert when it is not possible to earn this? Teachers are not considered part time, but they certainly don't work 37 hours a week for 52 weeks of the year ( yes the certainly put in more hours than a TA!) Obviously the answer is go and get a job in another industry - which, I am in the process of doing. It just seems a shame that staff with many years of experience will be lost to a school, . I am sure others feel this too. It is not possible for many people to survive on this sort of contract unless they have other means of support. It means, in my opinion, that the role of TA or HLTA will never be a career choice as the limited hours mean limited pay and survival is not possible on this.
     

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