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Pass the blame parcel

Discussion in 'Personal' started by sbkrobson, Sep 19, 2020.

  1. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    We've just had two lively threads featuring the headmaster who blamed his staff for the spread of Corona resulting in partial school closure
    Now today this story of a Town Council leader blaming a holiday maker for ensuing local restrictions.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54205353

    These are just holes in the dam though. If a government allows schools to open, the virus will spread. If a government allows pubs to open, then the virus will spread. The dam needs rebuilding, not shouting at.
    I despair at the scapegoating, and personally cannot see it ending unless we see another total lock down and more stringent sanctions against rule breakers. It's just my standpoint. Stuff the inconvenience.
    I know others feel differently, and I understand the multiple "reasons" given on here for not being more hard line about things.
    But
    I'm not in the blame and excuses game. I just want the virus to be contained.
    I'm simple like that.

    How many more people can we find to blame?
    :mad:
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2020
  2. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    "I'm not in blame and excuses game. I just want the virus to be contained.
    I'm simple like that."
    Well said @sbkrobson
    Thing is, it's probably not really containable, so it's a matter of trying to cope as best we can until such time as things shift a bit. That could be a vaccine, or the virus burning out (this is a possibility, but a remote one) or something else, such as people learning to behave sensibly (this is even more remote as a possibility)
    Oh dear.
     
  3. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    That's a very measured response.
    But if the thing is not containable, how come we could see such a decrease in incidence during lockdown?
    You could say that the virus is not containable, but you could equally say that getting schools back in could have been deferable.
     
  4. colacao17

    colacao17 Lead commenter

    If health is a concern at all, opening schools in this format and at this time was nothing other than lunacy.
     
  5. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    I agree with you on this. Schools and pubs can remain open for example, but the amount of people in them at any given time will just have to be limited and controlled so that genuine distancing and sanitising can consistently take place. Another, shorter, total lockdown to get numbers right down again and R below 1 should be a first step and the sooner we bite the bullet & do it the easier it will be to suppress cases & limit spread.
     
  6. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    No, you're right @sbkrobson I expressed myself badly. What I meant is that the virus seems to be uncontainable in the long term. Short term lockdowns, which the Gvt seem now to be considering, to "break the cycle" might work, but it's not a long term solution.
    @Jamvic is probably right but I fear people will become fed up and simply go on breaking the rules with bad consequences for us all.
     
  7. Sally006

    Sally006 Star commenter

    It was lunacy to allow full classes back all at one. They should have put in a rota system to get all kids back for limited periods of time in smaller groups and continued to support them the rest of the time at home. We are paying for this lunacy now.
     
  8. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    This is a typical example of 'deflection management', in which the mindset equates 'solving' a problem begins and ends with apportioning blame to someone else.
     
  9. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    There is a big difference between staff in that school, who followed all guidance, and that holiday maker who should have been quarantining for 14 days.

    I hope that holiday maker gets taken to court,
     
  10. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Don't add to the blame.
    Breaking the rules of guidance, sure. Bad.
    But viral spread? Nobody knows it was their fault.
    They also went to the pub.
    If pubs were shut, they could not have done that.

    My point is that the guidance is not without flaws.
    Any guidance is just that-guidance.

    It does not matter that socialising teachers and pub going holiday makers are completely different. What matters is that they were able to get into that situation in the first place because there was nothing stopping them.

    Only one thing could have.
     
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  11. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Quite.

    I notice the "I shall use my common sense" excuses seem to have disappeared into the woodwork these days. Funny because you'd think all the power of all that common sense being deployed over the summer would have beaten the virus into submission, not to mention the nuclear option of Boris giving it both barrels with some gung-ho slogans.
     
  12. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    He did wrong, he behaved in a selfish way. He broke the rules. I am not clear on whether or not he broke the law, but I suspect he did. He should be punished.

    We don't say a burglar should be let off because he shouldn't have had to walk past a house with a window open.

    Burglary doesn't kill. Breaking the rules on quarantine kills people.

    I have no sympathy for someone who is supposed to be quarantining, and goes on a pub crawl instead.

    I hope the full force of law is exerted on him
     
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  13. shakes1616

    shakes1616 Established commenter

    Surely you can develop a vaccines in 6 months. I blame them for not coming up with the goods when required.
     
  14. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I'm not questioning that.
    I am questioning the published accusation that he is responsible for Bolton going into partial lockdown when there is no way of knowing the historical convergence of spreaders across an entire town. Track 'n' trace, my bottom.
    Why pick on one person who has obviously broken a rule? Where is the evidenceable correlation?
    That's one almighty prison sentence surely, if he has forced a town to close?
    It does not stand up.
    It is scapegoating, irrespective of his manifest lack of responsibility, (which I am not refuting.)
     
  15. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    I believe in the first solution you suggest. The second, not sure. The third? Flying swine.
    Who else is to blame? Anyone who invented social media, as people bost about how they either don't believe in the virus, or how they don't give a ff if they spread it to the old or vulnerable, or both.
     
  16. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    I suspect that the person held responsible for this spike is being shown as an example to the nameless hordes who break the rules daily and sit scratching their rumps wondering how it can be that the virus is on the rise when all they did was to go to the pub/go to a rave/club/mass clan gathering....
     
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  17. colacao17

    colacao17 Lead commenter

    Off at a tangent here, but we do apply that logic to rape.

    Anyway, back to Covid.
     
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  18. nervousned

    nervousned Lead commenter

    Indeed. If track and trace fails if one person breaks the rules it has no chance of ever working.
     
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  19. Newidentity

    Newidentity Occasional commenter

    Ok, so how about this scenario? I contract covid-19. But I have no symptoms. I go on a pub crawl. 3-4 days later, I develop symptoms. Oops. Or worse, I am asymptomatic. Double oops.

    In either case, I don't see how I can be blamed for the potential spike that I may have caused, because at that point, there was nothing to stop me from going on my pub crawl. The only way to stop these scenarios from happening is to close pubs. So why not do that?
     
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  20. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Is that a pub crawl observing the Covid guidance?
    What happens to the 500,000 people who work in them?
     
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