# Part time hours 0.6fte

Discussion in 'Part-time and job share' started by music1421, Jun 22, 2019.

1. ### music1421New commenter

Hi all,
I've just been sent a letter regarding my change from full time to part time teaching. I have requested to work 3 days a week (which has been stated as 0.6fte. I'm hoping this is correct. Along with this, my hours are 16.5 hours a week - is this correct also? If anyone has any knowledge on this, I'd greatly appreciate it, as I want to make sure everything is right before I agree to it.

Many thanks in advance!

2. ### Lara mfl 05Star commenter

We can't say as we don't know your particular hours. For example in Primary an average day is 5 hours so 25 hours a week and 0.6 would be 15 hrs. But when I've worked in Sec, some of those days were up to 6.05 hours a day so 30 hrs and 25 mins a week.

Assuming 16.5 is 3/5 that should mean you work 5 and a half hours a day.

3. ### music1421New commenter

Thanks for your help - tbh I'm not exactly sure of my contracted working hours either! I'm primary and work from 8:30-12:30, then 1:15-3:15. I calculated this to be 6 hours, (which should be 18 hours in total) yet I've been given 16.5 hours!
Plus, I still don't know about PPA time yet...

4. ### frustumStar commenter

There is a difference, in contract terms, between "3 days a week" and "0.6 fte". The latter means they can turn round next year and ask you to work every morning.

I would guess that the 16.5 hours may be the number of hours of teaching (not including assemblies and breaks) and PPA, as that is what is used to work out your part-time proportion (by dividing it by the total for a full-timer). Your directed time will include the other bits, as it does for full-timers.

5. ### Lara mfl 05Star commenter

Could it be that Assembly /registration / break time doesn't count as 'teaching time'? These may 'technically' be 'trapped time' but may not part of the statutory hours.
Edit. Just seen frustrum's post which does make sense as yes PPA needs to be included and yes a contract specifying 0.6 does mean changes could be made from 3 days in future years.

6. ### frustumStar commenter

The other thing to bear in mind, if discussing the 3 days / 0.6fte bit with them, is that if you get it saying "across 3 days", then that still doesn't specify days. If the choice of days is crucial to you, try to get them specified. If they're not crucial, but you have childcare to arrange, you might want to ask whether something can be added in about what notice will be given of a change of day. It's not usually a problem in primaries, but it's not unknown for heads to suddenly decide on a change, oblivious to the fact that your childminder doesn't work Mondays, or your partner's working days fit around yours.

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7. ### Lara mfl 05Star commenter

Again very good points made by frustrum, especially about any problems with a change making on childcare arrangements.

8. ### Rott WeilerStar commenterForum guide

What @frustum says

You've asked to work 3 days a week. What you have been offered is 0.6 contract. They are not the same thing!

With a 0.6 contract your head could spread your contracted hours across all 5 days of the week, and at different times each day. If what you want (and thought you had agreed) is, eg, to work only all day Monday Tuesday and Wednesday and no other days then that is what your contract needs to say. That doesn't mean that the days can't changed in the future if the school needs a different working pattern from you, but it does mean that future changes can only be done with the agreement of both you and the school - the head wouldn't be able to change it unilaterally.

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9. ### music1421New commenter

Thanks for that - I totally agree and that's what I'm going to raise tomorrow. My job title is also wrong, so I've got a lot of fussing to do - I hope they honour any changes!

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10. ### MrMediaStar commenter

All schools have to have a directed time budget. This sets out all directed time activities including parents evenings, form time, etc. Thus the 0.6 is not just teaching time, but will be made up of fractionals of non-teaching directed time. 3x5 hours plus 39 times 90 minutes for form time, assemblies, parents evenings etc.

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11. ### BarryIslandNew commenter

Not according to the Burgundy Book. 0.6 is a proportion of the school teaching timetable excluding registration/ assembly etc.

However academies don't have to follow the Burgundy Book.....

12. ### frustumStar commenter

The proportion someone is employed for is worked out from their teaching+PPA time, compared to that of other teachers.
If that gives 0.6, their directed time is then 0.6 of 1265 hours.

So the 0.6 comes from the teaching time, but then determines directed time. Both calculations should reflect the 0.6 in the end.

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13. ### crfgoodmanNew commenter

A job I've seen advertised is for 2 days a week. The PPA time is given by not having to attend a one and a half hour staff meeting on one of those days. Is this ok? I thought it had to be "within timetabled hours"?

14. ### strawbsEstablished commenter

I would agree with you (subject to usual caveats about STPCD etc)

STPCD 2018: (my bold)
52.5. All teachers who participate in the teaching of pupils are entitled to reasonable periods of Planning, Preparation and Assessment (PPA) time as part of the 1265 hours referred to in paragraph 51.5 or pro rata equivalent (as the case may be) to enable the discharge of the professional responsibilities of teaching and
assessment. PPA time must be provided in units of not less than half an hour during the school’s timetabled teaching week and must amount to not less than 10% of the teacher’s timetabled teaching time. A teacher must not be required to carry out any other duties during the teacher’s PPA time.

15. ### frustumStar commenter

Another option is sometimes used which is to have a part-timer working two full days and "taking their PPA at home on another day", so being paid 0.44. That does save them having to cover you for PPA, but still keeps the rules - but costs them more than their proposed deal.

Of course, not having to attend the meetings might be enough of a gain that you might be prepared to make the deal even though it contradicts your entitlement. Check your directed time, though, as it might not run to you attending the meeting every week anyway. Your directed time on 0.4 would work out at 13 hours per week.