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Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by BoldAsBrass, Nov 27, 2018.
I would be getting them to do NO work in books!
That's how I'd cope with it.
At ks3 it’s not marked because they don’t do it.
In music written work is still expected in some schools even if its practical. I teach the whole school so this is a logistical nightmare.
Verbal feedback works better but many schools don’t allow that.
Brilliant, isn't it!!!
butter makes much nicer biscuits but we don't allow that
traffic-calming measures reduce accidents but we don't allow that
turning the heating down by a single degree cuts our energy bill but we don't allow that
It is incorrect to think that marking maths is a binary process.
Even worse when they know that all that pointless work is damaging their health and robbing them of a normal life.
Anything else maybe a waste of time but doing what you suggest would in many schools result in a "support plan" PDQ, sadly.
OK, OK. I wouldn't even be working there as I'd have laughed in their faces and told them to take a hike. But why is everyone who thinks "my" way not speaking out at a staff meeting and telling the fools that this is not an effective use of time???!!!
They can't sack all of you!
In an increasing amount it would be considered that right way to do thing. It’s all about local leadership decisions...
Evidence of verbal feedback is demanded; not only that it was given but its contents, and the student's reaction to it. Evidence; always evidence!
Yes, once upon a time, ‘Well done!’ or some such comment was perfectly acceptable- and depending on the context, I think it still should be. Now we make sure we include the things we are told we should - questions, next steps etc. It takes a lot of time. Verbal feedback and discussion are the best ways. We shouldn’t have to record those in writing, but we do to cover our backs. There are many, many issues we might like to speak out on, but it depends upon the school, the management and the circumstances. Staying under the radar and appearing compliant can make for a smoother ride in already choppy waters.
Even the colour of the pen used for marking has become a hot potato!
Maths EBI: get more right
Maths "how to move onto next grade": get more right
SLT to Maths teacher: "but how do you check they understand it?" Maths teacher: "They get it right"
Ah, just like the old days! When we managed to turn out today's doctors, vets, managers, counsellors and generally well rounded individuals. I swear to god I dreamt last night that I was sent on a support course to improve my marking!
I looked back on my Higher History essay book from 1990/91. My teacher had marked it with simply "A" or "B" (to be fair, mostly B.) Yet I had no idea what was different between my essay and my pal's who got an A, until we compared it and figured it out ourselves. Now I very much doubt that most kids will actually do this - they'll simply bumble along and not actually be pushed.
There's a lot of BS in education (different coloured pens / not using red) and the amount of marking in primaries is the biggest waste of time ever, but I just don't think giving feedback, written or verbal, is one of them.
My 'new' school don't allow teaches to give feedback marking (primary)...very frustrating when I know that some feedback would make a big difference to the child. I can still see in my memory my teacher's handwriting when I was 11, a comment she made to my work which has stuck with me 40 years later....given verbally would not have had the same impact all these years later. As a parent when I go to parents' evening and look at my children's books, I like to read the comments the teacher has made in response to their work.
Bet they love you!
Feedback I write: 'Well done!' 'Good' 'Excellent' '' 'Not enough work completed, detention!'
That has served me well and garnered great results. I also throw in the odd: 'see me at the end of the lesson'
If I'm forced into a WWW and EBI situation I have set comments that cover all possibilities, because despite the hype kids are predictable and make the same mistakes time and again.
Nope...this school hate me!. Excuse my ignorance but what does WWW and EBI stand for?
what went/worked well
even better if
Or - pat them on the back and then give them a knock-back.
Some very considered replies - thanks everyone
To pick up on one point - speaking out is all well and good when done as a collective but when you go it alone - you single yourself out. Been there, done that, still removing the knives from my back ......it is a hard balance but today blinkered, ill informed or lack of experienced SLTs are making the minions jobs way more difficult than they need to be by insisting on what boils down to 'nonsense'
I backtracked down the management ladder a while ago, as I didn't want to be forced into making teachers jobs into a circus of hoop jumping tasks. I personally know Heads who have refused to jump on the latest bandwagon and were ousted from their roles by Trusts or LA's, as they tried to stick to their principles (viewed as militant) and stick to the basics, using well thought out, tried and tested methods of teaching and learning - to have their desks cleared and packed off without a second thought. This practice has filtered down the chain of command and everyone is expected to jump to the same tune, even though it's not always in the correct key!
It appears, even the advice of Ofsted, unions etc is falling on deaf ears in many setting - WHY?
What ever happened to worker being able to stand for their rights, question change and challenge ideas and new initiatives? Have we really descended into a profession of 'yes persons' (politically correct statement?)
Problems with marking strategies are just scratching the surface of the mess we are in, as a profession
We need to tackle
2) Working hours
3) Working practices
4) Ridiculous notion of performance related pay for teachers (except maybe for SLTs)
Have I missed anything obvious?
Right, better go finish my planning and resourcing for next week. LOL!