That's a good argument - the ones based around numbers are nonsense. I suppose the only real counter is that the current government is doing what the last government wanted to but backed down from when the Unions got angsty ; viz. that the pension was never affordable, and those people giving you 'clear indication' were lying to you. There's a (true) story from the US about this. A governer doing the same sort of thing was booed by the firefighters. He told them (perhaps bluntly) ; why are you booing the first person to tell you the truth ? Fair enough, most people would agree, but that's not a reason to pay an unaffordable pension. The current behaviour of Huhne is not unrelated, I'm sure to the fact that he's just qualified for a ministerial pension, by about 1 day.