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One landlord's solution to help the housing crisis

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Duke of York, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter


    "An under-stairs cupboard has been put up for rent in south west London for £500 a month plus bills.

    Alex Lomax, 23, went to view the flatshare in Clapham, south west London, which was described as "furnished" in an online listing.

    Ms Lomax, who travelled from Nottingham to view the property, said: "There was a landlord and I was shown the kitchen and the under-stairs cupboard - he seemed deadly serious, which is the worrying part."

  2. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Was his name Harry Potter?
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  3. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    The article doesn't say, monica. What it lets us know however, is how appalling the housing crisis has been allowed to become in London and what appalling standards some private landlords have.
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  4. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Changing the subject slightly, I had an interesting email this evening which gave a link to an article in Inside Housing, which is a magazine that serves the social housing industry in a similar way that TES serves education.

    The article says:

    "The Office for National Statistics believes it is not clear that legislation would make housing association reclassification more likely.

    This is despite strong warnings from the National Housing Federation that Right to Buy legislation could mean they become ‘public bodies’.

    Speaking to Inside Housing today, a spokesperson for the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said a reclassification would rely on rules in the European System of Accounts (ESA) 2010.

    The spokesperson confirmed this takes a broad view of state control, which can include both legislation and regulation, and does not give special weight to legislative measures.

    The National Housing Federation (NHF) has urged its members to sign up to a voluntary deal to extend the Right to Buy, warning that legislation could lead to a reclassification of housing associations as public bodies.

    Writing for Inside Housing yesterday, David Orr, chief executive of the NHF, said: “It has become clearer that a statutory Right to Buy would lead to a very high probability that housing associations would be classed as public bodies, an outcome I will fight tooth and nail to avoid.”

    However, the ONS spokesperson said: “We can’t say if there was legislation, it would definitely lead to reclassification.”

    He added: “It’s all about assessing if any change affects the control of the unit, in this case housing associations. Government control can come from different elements, such as legislation or regulation.”

    The NHF is yet to confirm what advice it took to support its view that legislation would increase the risk of reclassification.

    It fears such a reclassification would lead the government to seek greater control of housing associations, and limit their borrowing, as housing association debt would be added to the national balance sheet.

    Think tank Policy Exchange last week told Inside Housing the government would likely seek to privatise associations if this happened.

    The ONS also confirmed yesterday that the simple act of reclassification itself would not affect the control of housing associations. There has never been any suggestion it would by the NHF.

    Kathleen Kelly, assistant director of policy and research at the NHF said: “The ONS guidance on this issue is clear – the central question for reclassification remains ‘who is in control of business decisions?’ Our voluntary offer to government on Right to Buy has at its heart the discretion for housing association boards to continue to manage their own assets and businesses.”

    The bottom line in all of this, so far as I can see, is that the Mickey Mouse approach this government is taking in regard to social housing isn't so far removed from the Mickey Mouse attitude it has to education. It's privatisation through the back door.

    If that happens, we can no longer expect there will be a fall back position for anyone who can't afford to buy a home of their own or can't afford private rental accommodation.

    I bet those of you who voted for this shower of ***** we have as a government are really proud of yourselves, ain't you?
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  5. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    So what do you want the government to do about it? The problem in London and some elsewheres is too many people. Look at how the population has grown in the last 15 years.
    Nobody is for a housing shortage. Like Jez at In Brighton you are against loads of things but have no proposed solutions.
  6. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    I ain't got round to proposing the solutions yet, Madge. The first stage is to get agreement that the situation is intolerable and something ought to be done about it. You'd like the housing situation to be fairer, wouldn't you?
  7. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    But the landlord is going to use that £500 to invest in an SME and benefit his fellow citizens. Isn't he? The famous trickle-down effect we're all seeing? No?

    Or else the £500 goes to pay the tenant's own landlord because the tenant whose name is actually on the lease can't really afford to live there anyway but has a job in London. Maybe a doctor? Maybe anti-social hours? Can't afford the rail travel so is renting in London? Can't get a job elsewhere so is in the unenviable position of having to pay whatever rent the ultimate landlord (maybe the Duke of Westminster or an Russian oligarch) opts to charge.
  8. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    what's the solution? If housing in London was widely available and much cheaper what would happen to the population?
  9. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    They'd all have somewhere affordable to live.
  10. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Dontcha just love the way they left the coats hanging up? And you have to applaud their eco-credentials. Recycling a Daz box for a pillow? Unless it's the chest-of-drawers? Not sure.
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  11. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    I would propose that the Government start to shift economic emphasis away from London into the midland region and the north. By shifting resources to other regions people would follow the money and in that way relieve the pressure on London's housing stock.
    Will they contemplate such a move? NO. Too many vested interests particularly in keeping the high price rises focussed on London.
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  12. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    Follow it through. If housing were cheaper more people would move to London and there would be a housing shortage.
  13. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    Government have shifted many public sector jobs out of London. How would you force private sector to move? Why would an international legal firm want to move to Middlesbrough?
    Wanting to remain in your London job and home rather than move to Carlisle is not unreasonable.
  14. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Cast your mind back to the Olympic games (just a simple example) where did most of the money go for redevelopment and/or building of venues?
    They did made token gestures here and there outside of London but in the main.......
  15. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    "Wanting to remain in your London job and home rather than move to Carlisle is not unreasonable."
    The system does not seem to allow me to split a paragraph or sentence for a quote hence the inverted commas.
    It is entirely reasonable to want to live near your work, however when prices in London are so disproportionately higher than the rest of the UK, then it creates stupidly high prices to the detriment of many who do not own a property there. Which is I thought, in line with this OP.
  16. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Highlight the part you want to quote. A pop-up will appear below it. Click on Quote. When you're ready to use that quote, use the blue insert quote button under the composing window.
  17. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Thanks DoY I will next time.
  18. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    Do you think everybody who does not own property are willing to up sticks to the north. If they do that they will price locals out of the market, so not a complete solution.
  19. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Why is force necessary? Incentives such as business rate holidays make more sense. Encourage the building of houses and business units outside London and offer businesses five years free from business rates if they move there. That's well worth having. If they do, people will move nearby for the work. The councils benefit initially from the increased council tax their new residents bring and in the longer term, they get to rip their new businesses off with business rates as well.

    What's not to like about it?
  20. Dragonlady30

    Dragonlady30 Star commenter

    Can you refer to a government of any colour which has tackled the housing problem with any success over the last 20 years? It's not just this govt!!

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