brainjim..what is succient? it isn't in my dictionary? Dear amazedbygrace sorry if you took my response badly. It is lovely that is is grace and her dad and great tha you reply as her mum,; mums being sometimes a little more practical than head in the clouds dad's .. well in my case anway.. you see an underlying anger or energy drives my writing here and I suppose at its root is that school dumbs us down. In my way of looking at the moment and from my refelction on experiece. I know it is only a point of view but that is all we all have, none of us in the end are measured only by what we know , nor by what we can do but rather by the depths of our questions and the strength of our feelings- neither of which see ot be too well catered for within the uniformity of schooling I see, especially in the UK currently. corporate schools, federated philosophies and whole-schol agreements on just aout everything except breathing seem to me at least to restrict life to a smaller dimension. I see young life being curtailed at even younger ages by misinformed systems. I don't care if she (my daughter at 4) tallks about bigger or not, that is no objective for my child, she knows which ice-cream she wants bigger only helps her get it, - she knows bigger very well but she has no interest in using that language in a context that doesn't benefit her... and so on, for so many of the 'desireable outcomes' for young children. Of course on the one hand it isn't easy to quantify, define or systematise what I am saying, yet on the other it is what teaching is about, why some are teachers and others aren't, it is perhaps about having faith in the dynamics of human interaction to educate and inform, to be shaped by the forces of history and tradition balanced against the inexorable push of the present. If we don't agree, or aren't sure let's talk with the teachers as they stand there astride this grand flow of life trying to balance and guide it's energy. Let's not say that they should give evidence, should know the answers, lets listen for their questions that will give us as much, or more than enough.