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Old MFL

Discussion in 'Modern foreign languages' started by hikochan, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. Why are we still teaching our kids the old languages French and German instead of the much more beneficial / useful Japanese and Chinese, which is what they SHOULD be taught?
    I have the answer:
    I have been told my an education consultant why the old languages French and German are STILL being taught in our schools rather than the more modern and far more important Japanese and Chinese languages: the government does not want to introduce these true modern languages because a) they do not have enough Japanese and Chinese language teachers to teach students on PGCE programmes, and b) because if the government introduced Japanese and Chinese as the correct, key languages (as they should do) of the national curriculum, all the poor French, German and Spanish teachers and PGCE language providers would all be out of work. Do not live in the past; the future IS Japanese and Chinese! Seifu to minna senseitachi mo shourai o kangae!

     
  2. **************YAWN***********************

     
  3. Moshi, honmono shinjitsu wakarahenkattara, okinasai yo! French and German will be scrapped by the government in a few years.The kids are not interested in French and German. Wake up.They are just forced to do it at school but they are not taking it further at A level and university.Just look at the statistics. There is a huge decline. Japanese and Chinese will reign supreme in the future. Shourai o tanoshimi!
     
  4. **************EVEN BIGGER YAWN****************************
     
  5. Geekie

    Geekie New commenter

    ************ C H A N G E T H E R E C O R D H I K O C H A N *************
     
  6. There's a school in Shanghai looking for a teacher of French in this week's jobs!
    (Not a single advert for a teacher of Mandarin......[​IMG], and only one advert for Arabic. All the others are for combinations of French, German and Spanish. )
     
  7. Boring, hikochan! Isn't this the third time that you've intorduced this topic?
    I am looking forward to making good use of my knowledge of Mandarin Chinese and Japanese on my driving holiday in France and Switzerland next month.
    Regard
    Graham Davies
     
  8. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    Oh, Skuzzy, really, just because you are so limited in your foreign travel, do not assume that others, in this day and age, do not want to reach out a little more, to places where Mandarin Chinese and Japanese are very useful. I have nothing against French or German, even the Swiss variety, but just because someone holds, and expresses a view that goes against the grain on here, doesn't mean he has to be ridiculed for it. I don't agree, entitely, with hikochan, and I do believe there is a place for French and German in the curriculum, albeit a minor one. Why not try the pistes in Nagano for a change?
    Oh, and as for repeating the same thing, how many times have you done the 'Buongiorno Italia' story - the waiter and the half-jug of wine? It's more than three, I can tell you that! Sore wa mekuso ga hanakuso o warau you na mono da!
     
  9. I blame my repetition on incipient senility. I would love to visit Japan and China, but long-haul flights are out of the question for me and have been ever since I was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis following major surgery for a very rare form of cancer in 2006. I do, however, feel that young people should be encouraged to travel as widely as possible.
    Regards
    Graham
     
  10. By the way, I wasn't joking about using Japanese and Chinese in Switzerland. On the last three occasions (namely, since 2006) when I visited the Jungfrau region in Switzerland I heard as much Japanese and Chinese spoken as I did English, French and German. Interlaken is full of Japanese tourists buying Swiss watches by the dozen, and the Jungfraujoch is twinned with Mount Huangshan in Anhui Province, China, with the result that thousands of tourists from China now visit the Jungfrau region, and the area has been popular with Japanese tourists for as long as I can remember. All over the region you will see signs posted in German, French, Japanese and Chinese, and many Swiss workers in the tourism business have a smattering of Japanese and Chinese. In 2006 we stayed in a hotel in Interlaken where every single waitress in the restaurant next door (a Swiss restaurant, serving traditional Swiss food) was Chinese - on work experience from the hospitality studies school in Montreux.
    Regards
    Graham
     
  11. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    Well, I am sorry to hear that you have been ill, but don't let it stop you from travelling in this day and age. You're retired, aren't you? Well do the Trans-Siberian and hop over to Japan from Vladivostok. You can get to Hokkaido in about an hour.
    Having said that, the only people who really dream of coming to Japan are those who don't live here. I think it's a dump!
     
  12. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    Oh yes you were, and snide with it. But that's OK. It's hikochan you've got a beef with.
    Did the Japanese approach you and try to speak to you in Tarzan English? If so, just speak German at them, and they'll go away.
     
  13. spsmith45

    spsmith45 New commenter

    Japan is a dump? Any chance of raising the tone around here?
     
  14. Regrettably, londomolari, the high cost of travel insurance outside Europe prevents me from travelling further afield, regardless of the form of transport used. Yes, I am retired, but even travel insurance companies that specialise in treating people with pre-existing rare conditions either turn me down or charge rates of around £2500 for two weeks for travel outside Europe. I'll forgive your rudeness if you click on the Cancer Research icon at the top of my Web page and make a donation:
    http://www.camsoftpartners.co.uk/pmpsurvivor.htm
    Regards
    Graham Davies
     
  15. Unfortunately, there will be about 150 people applying for the same job (for French, German and Spanish jobs). It is just over supply. Too many language teachers for far too few language jobs. It does not surprise me that there are few Mandarin jobs. Unless the government and schools face up to the importance of Mandarin and Japanese, it will be this state of affairs for a few more years. AND this will be to the detriment of the UK economy. Things have to change. I DO think Spanish is more important than French and German, or of equal importance with Japanese and Chinese (it has to be; it is spoken in 22 countries). The future important languages will be English, Chinese and Spanish. Japanese will probably give way to Chinese.
     
  16. What a load of rubbish, ive just finished an MFL PGCE, and every single person on the course who wanted a job, got one, most people on their first interview. Schools seem to be desperate with this new E Bacc
    Although I agree, perhaps Mandarin should be on the curriculum. I certainly would have enjoyed it at school.
     
  17. loodle1

    loodle1 Occasional commenter

    Whatever language you do at school once you have acquired the skills for language learning you can study any language you choose later on. Surely the most important thing is that students enjoy learning a language, which ever one they do?
     
  18. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    That's odd. I thought you were the one being rude.
    I see your predicament and feel genuinely sorry that you are not able to visit places outside Europe, especially as a linguist. However, now you're also playing the sympathy card, and I don't respond to such ploys.

     
  19. Found this article today. It seems that even the Chinese can't speak Chinese! [​IMG]

     
  20. Well said!
     

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