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Ofqual rescues ‘wrongly entered’ GCSE pupils from failure but who is to blame for the mix-up?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    Not correct I'm afraid - the bottom of a Grade 4 is the same as the bottom of a C grade. Anyone that would have got a D grade previously would now get a grade 3 (alongside some of the top E grades)
  2. install

    install Star commenter

    Yes the very bottom of a grade C - and the grade 4 does not count as a pass on the League Tables. So, more confusion
  3. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    It was N I think. Between E and little f, if I remember correctly.
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  4. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Back in '77 it was the grade below E (which was a pass back then). My friend got an O and 2 Ns in his A levels.
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  5. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    I stand corrected - I sure that there was not meant to be a direct correlation between 4 and C earlier in the process.
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  6. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    They decided that Grades 1, 4 and 7 would be the equivalent grades i.e.G = 1, C = 4 and A = 7. They needed to do this to ensure that equivalency was possible between the old and new specifications.

    Who knows what they were thinking earlier in the process - lots of different ideas were mooted but they went for one that, whilst not perfect, does allow some direct conversions to ease explanations.
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  7. install

    install Star commenter

    It all gets interesting with mark.enquiries too..With so many Us in the higher tier - does that mean more mk enquiries? Too many have fallen off the tier grade and got ungraded - a gamble maybe that isnt fair with the tiered approach.
  8. sadscientist

    sadscientist Senior commenter

    In Science, way too many pupils were entered for Higher Tier who couldn't cope with the questions or apply the facts they'd learned. (I marked Higher Chem and Bio). Most of those who fell off the bottom at Higher would have got a a grade that fairly represented their ability if they'd done Foundation. It really shouldn't be about gambling, should it?
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  9. install

    install Star commenter

    Completely agree - its not a good system and there are problems

    It looks like approx 2,300 students still got a U on the Higher Tier, even after Ofqual intervention. That is approx 1.5 percent of the Higher Tier...:eek:

    It doesn't sell tiered exams to me
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  10. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    I suspect a large number of these entries will be at a relatively small number of schools who tried (and failed) to play the system. As the maths boundaries were low last year, they gambled on weaker students chancing their way to 4-4.
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  11. install

    install Star commenter

    Yes and once you have easy low grade boundaries you risk more game playing going on with grades in the higher tier exams.
  12. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    I don't remember the same level of game playing existing when intermediate existed.

    Too many of the arguments against tiers appear aimed at the current tiers rather than most maths teachers' (at least the ones I know) preference.
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  13. install

    install Star commenter

    And it isnt just Maths tiers that have current issues. Its also Science tiers. And not all gcses have tiers - Yet, all gcses have grades 9 to 1? Where is the consistency?

    We are seeing a big problem.with the grade 4 area in both Maths and Science. Both gcses with tiers.
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  14. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Some subjects can have differentiation by outcome, Some subjects have so much detail and a greater level of right /wrong as opposed to discussion that a different method of assessment iis needed. Maths and the sciences have a lot of content, with very different outcomes for level 9 and level 1. Proper assessment requires differentiated assessment. A level 9 candidate doesn't need to be asked 1/4 + 0.5, a level 1 or 2 candidate doesn't need complex algebra but does need a chance to show basic manipulation of numbers..
    I'm repeating myself.
    We didn't have this level of game playing when I was back in mainstream a couple of years ago. If we predicted them a C with the chance of a B we went for higher, If we thought a bad day might bring a D we often went for foundation. Sometimes we negotiated with the child or their parent. The key thing was, that it didn't really matter which tier we put them in for because they usually got the results we expected. This time round, the assessment was different, the grading was different and some schools seem to have made a serious mess of their entries. It probably won't happen next year.
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  15. install

    install Star commenter

    Agree in part. Why do you think the errors in tiered entries happened and do you blame schools ?Wasn't game playing going on with early entry to be fair in tiered gcses before now?
  16. BG54

    BG54 New commenter

    That isn't necessarily true. Two of my recent Year 11 tutees went on to obtain grades 7 and 8 respectively but both found fractions quite challenging without a calculator.
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  17. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Not sure 'play the system' is fair.
    I remember advice from an exam board in the past that if a student was regularly perfroming at D, then they should be entered for the higher tier rather than the lower. Think that was Edexcel but can't be 100% sure now and it was a good few years back. It wasn't seen as 'playing the system' - just giving the child the best possible chancce of getting the best possible grade.
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  18. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    In the old standard grade system (Scottish GCSE equivalent) all students sat papers in two tiers out of 3 tiers altogether. Some did Higher and internmediate, some did intermediate and foundation. But then the SQA is the sole examining board there, there isn't the same commercial competition between exam boards.
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  19. border_walker

    border_walker Lead commenter

    No it was an N I think, but was a long time ago. it was below an A Level pass grade, with U being an outright fail.
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  20. maggie m

    maggie m Senior commenter

    It was an O grade, I got it for Maths:(
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