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Offered 10 quid an hour during hols?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by install, Feb 18, 2016.

  1. install

    install Star commenter

    I have just been offered 10 quid an hour to work during the holidays.

    At what point does learning and intervention matter more than earning a living? Has anyone ever been offered less?
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2016
  2. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Many teachers are expected to do such class for nothing.
     
  3. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    As we will be doing over Easter
     
  4. install

    install Star commenter

    Does everyone do this? What about petrol expenses? Childcare costs over the hols?
     
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  5. slingshotsally

    slingshotsally Star commenter

    Hi Install,

    I childcare is extremely expensive, so is petrol-

    I would present the HT a spreadsheet which includes all your costs- I would also email this to your union rep.

    Offer them 3 solutions-

    1. School set up a crèche or other suitable age related childcare option. Ensure that they provide food and drink as well.

    2. School pays for appropriate childcare for you as this is an extra expense...

    3. School increases your rate to acknowledge the fact that you have incurred extra expenses by coming into work ( childcare, packed lunches, petrol, wear and tear)

    If other staff are in a similar predicament, I would go as a group with a union rep and keep this utterly calm.

    I would be mindful that you may be punished in other ways for being reasonable- extra observations, more book scrutiny, frequent drop ins... KEEP a log and inform your union.

    ON THE OTHER HAND- you might want to get in debt, be worried about finances, feel sick when you get charged by the bank for being overdrawn, have no rest during the holiday period because you are stressed out...

    Choices, choices- so many and all of them very hard.

    SSS
     
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  6. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    Or just send a definition of "holiday" to your HT.
     
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  7. -myrtille-

    -myrtille- Occasional commenter

    That's a joke.

    I ran an Easter intervention session last year, but that was paid at £75 per half day (so £150 for a full day, which is what I did).

    At that rate, I think it was worth giving up a day of my holiday (and it also did have a clear impact on some of the pupils who attended). With an extra £150 for a day's work, I could enjoy the rest of my holiday more (plus I don't have children and my commute is short - so I wasn't incurring additional costs by doing this).

    But you're looking at £50-60 for a day's intervention which is pitiful. When you consider how much schools pay out to supply agencies on a daily basis, they should be able to pay more for your expertise and knowledge of the pupils.

    I think they're talking about doing Easter sessions again this year, but some of SLT have changed and I doubt we'll have such a good pay offer. There was talk of it being remunerated if we target PP pupils, but what if the pupils who need intervention the most are not PP?
     
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  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Tell the HT you are in France (or the country/county of your choice) for the whole of the Easter Holidays.

    "Thanks for the opportunity to make £10 per hour, but as you can see I have made other arrangements..."
     
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  9. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    When I was i/c getting supply etc. (more than a decade ago) the school commonly paid £180-£220 a day....
     
  10. sunshineneeded

    sunshineneeded Star commenter

    I have run Easter interventions for the last two years (two short days, 9.30 - 1.30); pay was much the same as myrtille. Kids were happy to come and it had significant impact - which could have had something to do with the fact that they felt very important, wore their own clothes and were supplied with unhealthy snacks!!!! Motivation was high.
    Running the intervention was my choice; it was suggested by SLT the first year but I didn't feel under any pressure to agree to it - I suggested it the second time and will probably do it again this year.
     
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  11. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    Absolutely not!

    Teachers are often coerced into giving up their time in the holidays for 'intervention and support' because it will "look good on your appraisal".

    Very often they 'volunteer' (they feel they have no choice) and put these sessions on for free for fear that should the pupils perform poorly then they will be denied pay progression / offered support for not doing everything they can for the pupils. The senior staff will also try the 'well others are doing it why not you?' This has to stop.

    @-myrtille- has it right. £150 a day (about the same as a day's supply) is about right. Doing it for nothing or £10 is an insult. In fact I would go as far as to say it is unprofessional to do it for free. It also devalues the profession.

    Teacher's need to stop feeling they are working for some kind of charity. It's a job. If you want to do voluntary work there are many worthy causes out there that could make use of your time.
     
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  12. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    Were you paid?
     
  13. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    .

    Or you could also show the school what is paid by the firms that are advertising for teachers to run their holiday sessions. . .

    There is one called Justin something (no, not Beiber) just found it:

    http://www.justincraig.ac.uk/

    Find out what they would pay you . . . (use an e-mail with a different name, in case you then decide you actually want to apply to do them!)

    Best wishes

    .
     
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  14. primenumbers

    primenumbers New commenter

    Private tutors charge 3 to 5 times that rate in London. Outside London, would be 2-3 times. The quality and standard of tutors varies a lot as well :) Also if they run a group, they get paid more due to the number.
     
  15. slstrong123

    slstrong123 New commenter

    Holidays are exactly that. You should not be expected or pressurised into offering revision sessions etc. It merely undermines effort and focus during lesson times if it us offered too freely (the pupils effort that is!).

    Cleaners get paid more than 10 pounds an hour. Don't let SLT devalue your worth as a teacher.
     
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  16. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    When in my school as Head of Year 11 I did arrange Easter revision sessions and half term ones and ran my own subject's. I am going back to pre 2008 and no one was paid. It was entirely voluntary though and staff only organised sessions if they thought it was worthwhile and it targeted the pupils it would most benefit and who would turn up.

    I agree that £10 an hour is insulting - unless it is for supervising children colouring in! On reflection I do agree now that staff should be paid. The days of "staff goodwill" have clearly gone now - flicked away by uncaring HTs and SLTs.
     
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  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    And several years of no or no real pay increases!
     
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  18. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    How do you gauge it has an impact that is - "significant" even in the loose rather than statistical sense?

    Can you imagine doctors or solicitors doing it?

    Anyone working for free or for ten pounds per hour is running down the profession
     
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  19. DYNAMO67

    DYNAMO67 Lead commenter

    I don't have an issue with £10 an hour really... I think getting £150 for what I presume is a five hour day is very generous.

    Not suggesting unwarranted though.
     
  20. sleepyhead

    sleepyhead New commenter

    We used to get £25 an hour for weekend sessions. After being told I was unprofessional one year because I couldn't do a session on a Sunday, I took my bat and ball home and have never done any since. Sundays are still paid, but holiday sessions are not.
     

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