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NQTs being promoted

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Idiomas11, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. Idiomas11

    Idiomas11 Occasional commenter

    Hey all

    What do you think about NQTs being promoted to deputy heads of departments, pastoral heads etc when they have just finished that induction year? Seems like madness to me. Yet told I have no when going for other jobs in same school. It seems to be truly a case of if your face fits....
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  2. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Sounds odd but I've known one exceptional nqt who would have coped with promotion and then there are mature nqts who tend to be flexible enough to fit into middle leader roles quite quickly.
    nomad and (deleted member) like this.
  3. bonxie

    bonxie Senior commenter

    It would be quite unusual to promote an inexperienced member of staff into a leadership position. Perhaps the school is desperate or the individual is quite outstanding.
    needabreak likes this.
  4. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Some NQTs are very good and deserve promotion having demonstrated all (or most of) the skills and attributes necessary for the post.

    Do I detect the faint odour of ethyl acetate emanating from some sour grapes somewhere?
  5. Idiomas11

    Idiomas11 Occasional commenter

    In a word, yes! At least I'm honest?!
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    My face has never fit.

    16 years experience but they won't consider me for 3rd in dept. even though I will certainly put in the hours needed.

    ''post is required for recruitment''
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  7. Idiomas11

    Idiomas11 Occasional commenter

    Think I just feel like a failure in comparison to the others around me and have never received a promotion ever so I guess I am lashing out. I know I do need to work on myself and my negative thoughts or perhaps just try a different career as I'm not getting anywhere .
  8. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Lead commenter

    Or cheap.
  9. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Deputy head of a small department is often the lowliest promotion that can be had. A lack of candidates is often an issue, unfortunately having a face that fits is also frequently an issue and getting the best person for the job is a matter of opinion and only marginally to do with merit.

    The best way to get promotion if that's what you want is often to move schools for it, apply for a higher level post each time. I've seen some teachers who just seem to live a charmed life and things fall into their lap and no-one can see why, it's certainly not ability.

    Don't imagine that teaching is a meritocracy.
  10. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    You need to hone your sucking up techniques...
  11. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    Its very common. Many management vacancies are filled with NQTs around here. Partly because no one else will touch them! But also of course, there is cheap and malleable. The upside is that experienced teachers don't get too much pressure to go for promotions they don't want. The downside is they end up getting told what to do by someone who doesn't know anything, including how a manager is supposed to behave
  12. The-Gaffer

    The-Gaffer Occasional commenter

    Let me cheer you up with a true story ... I was once looked over for a HOY role in an ex school three times I think - in 13 years - including at least once when no one else applied

    The world kept turning

    Now you could summize from this that I would be/am dreadful at what I do & shouldn't be allowed near a school but I have since left that school & have moved on. In one school I taught outside my subject specialism better than some of the specialists & was asked to stay on when I became a HOD back in my specialist subject in another school

    I like to think my face didn't fit I mean if no one else applied & they still didn't give me the bloody thing why wasn't I ever sacked - please don't answer that anyone its rhetorical - plus it might just give me a complex
    agathamorse likes this.
  13. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    In my experience there is little correlation between educationalism and promotion in education.
    The people who have posted here that they are not getting or have not ever achieved promotion are also people who I recognise as educationalists. I've read posts dissecting the whys and wherefores of what we do in schools, looking at the impact on the kids, thinking about how to teach,deciding on the merits of new policy. That is true educationalism-thinking hard about the best way to educate.
    To get promotion in education at the moment you have to be demonstrably effective by ticking boxes,, ruthless and instrumental in somebody else's directives.
    There is no place in any of this for actually thinking about what you do.
  14. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I'm not sure promotion is all its cracked up to be if I'm honest, you may be saved from a poisoned chalice.
    dunnocks, lanokia and nomad like this.
  15. unfoggingblogger

    unfoggingblogger Occasional commenter

    Have you ever thought that younger teachers are easier to manipulate?

    Give a dog a cookie and it will be very loyal.

    BTW, out of interest, have you approached the Head and told him/ her of your ambitions?
    sidekick125, agathamorse and lanokia like this.
  16. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    There's a very good question, they might give you a heads up of the sorts of things you'll need to focus on, it's often easy to discuss future goals with those in their nqt year, perhaps use your annual appraisal to your advantage OP?
    sidekick125 likes this.
  17. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Needs must.

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    Well, you should only promote people if they are a good way into their working life. For most NQTs, one year is 20% of their whole career...
    CheeseMongler and dunnocks like this.
  19. doteachershavesuperpowers

    doteachershavesuperpowers Occasional commenter

    I found that the ones who get promoted are some of the more senior members of the school by the end of the academic year, due to so many other staff members leaving.
  20. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    In schools, as in other jobs, to get on you have to start at the bottom, and kiss it!

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