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NQT teaching overseas- how do I get a job?

Discussion in 'NQTs and new teachers' started by Talc_1234, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. Talc_1234

    Talc_1234 New commenter

    No school will offer you a job without a face to face interview. It is GTC child protection guidelines. Same goes for agencies.
    Schools or agencies apply for CRB you can't. They wont apply for one until they have interviewed you face to face.
  2. i had an interview via skype! might be worth asking!
  3. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    The answer, I think, might be to remain overseas and give up the idea of going back to the UK because there do not seem to be many teaching jobs in the UK at the moment. In fact, there was a story on the TES website about a school that had two or three primary vacancies and there were more than 600 applicants! I have quite a few Scottish colleagues and they say that getting just about any tteaching job north of the border is just about impossible. If you go to the "Unemployed Teachers" forum, you will be able to read many similar stories and probably the situation is only going to get worse because of all the government cuts.
    Having taught in Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Romania, the UAE and now in Qatar, I would recommend teaching in international schools to anyone who is fed up with stupid bits of paper and trying to teach badly behaved children in the UK. On the other hand, maybe you are a masochist and you like rain, 20% VAT, ridiculous petrol prices, Ofsted, more rain, Council Tax, even more rain, trying to pay off a student loan, being regularly insulted in the media, lots more rain, Income Tax, Car Tax and having to pay to park your car in the rain (if you are lucky enough to find a parking space).
    Here in Qatar, my wife is a part-time music teacher and together we manage to save about two thousand pounds a month, tax free. The school provides us with a pleasant, rent-free apartment and the school also pays all of our utility bills (electricity and water). Petrol is less than twenty pence a litre. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that my Year 5 class all go home at one o'clock in the afternoon.
  4. ruthmau

    ruthmau New commenter

    Thanks for your replies! I did consider staying overseas for another year but I really want to get my NQT year done so I can actually start teaching my subject specialism rather than English as a foreign language. I also thought once I get my NQT year finished then I can think about applying for jobs in International schools. I emailed so many schools which were advertising vacancies asking if it was worth me applying from overseas, mentioning I was more than willing to do phone/skype interviews but they all said they want to watch me teach. Looks like I'm just going to have to wait till I get back to England then job-hunt/supply like crazy!
  5. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    "Like crazy" might well be an appropriate way to describe it, ruthmau. I know several NQTs who are currently working at my school in Doha and they all say that it is almost impossible to get a job in the UK at the moment. The cuts are just going to make it even more difficult, plus there will be the new batch of NQTs who will be finishing this summer. On ther other hand, maybe you will be lucky and get a good job straight away. Personally, I would not like to take the risk of being unemployed.
    As for me, I have a class of well-behaved seventeen children and this weekend I am going off to the opera, as I do not have any marking, planning or Ofsted nonsense. Of course it is a tad warm here in Qatar at the moment, but just about everything is air-conditioned and we finish on the 7th of July. I do not have to come back in Doha until the 3rd of September, so I will miss the worst of the hot weather.
  6. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    You will need the equuuuivalent of a CRB for your time abroad. If you wait until you return to the UK, it could take ages to get the overseas clearance. Contact the British Consulate / British Council etc overseas and get advice on obtaining local police clearance statements and notarised translations to be submitted with your Enhanced CRB paperwork on your return
    CRBs here can take as little as 2 weeks to obtain, depending on the time of year, but you can't do one yourself. It either needs to be done by an employer who has offered you a job or by an agency or LA supply pool that wants you on their books.
  7. Is it possible to do NQT in schools abroad? I was under the impression NQT induction is only offered in UK schools?
  8. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    There are only a few places abroad where Induction can be undertaken because, strangely, most schools abroad don't follow the UK National Curriculum!
  9. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Jubilee has written that "There are only a few places abroad where induction can be undertaken", but my Scottish colleagues here in Doha say that there are almost no places in Scotland where inducation can be undertaken because many NQTs cannot find a job north of the border. With a new batch of NQTs coming onto the job market this summer, the situation is only going to get worse. As the government cuts continue, so more and more NQTs will be faced with a stark choice: teach overseas or be unemployed. Yes, jubilee, many NQTs would no doubt prefer to to stay in the UK and to complete their induction year. The reality, however, is that a lot of NQTs do not have much of a choice. If you read Theo Griff's comments on the TES, you see how bad the employment situation is in the UK at the moment.
    Of course jubilee is quite wrong when he or she says that there are many international schools that do not follow the National Curriculum and in fact Theo Griff mentions that there are more and more British-style schools all over the world. Having taught in Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Romania, the UAE and now Qatar, I can confirm that this is indeed true. Which countries have you taught in, jubilee?
  10. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    I don't need you to tell me how dire the situation is in the UK! I was out of work for 5 terms in 2001-20013 as I'd used up my supply allowance and hadn't completed Induction.
    Last school year I managed only 32 days of work and I've had fewer than 20 days this school year as unqualified supervisors are being taken on instaed of teachers.
    You have completely misunderstood my original, very short post on this thread. We often get queries on TES about doing Induction abroad. NQTS want to know if they can take work in Australian or UAE schools, for instance, and still complete Induction. That is not possible in most caess as not all schools follow the UK NC (understandably. We don't follow other countries' NC in the UK, do we?)
    Even if a foreign school broadly follows the UK NC, it doesn't make it eligible for out Induction programme as they are not subject to UK NC scrutiny.
    The TDA regs are clear on where you can do Induction and where you are exempt from English Induction if you serve Induction or its equivalent elsewehere:

    Induction can not be served in schools induction or the equivalent in one of the following countries:

    • Scotland
    • Northern Ireland
    • Isle of Man
    • Guernsey
    • Jersey
    • Gibraltar
    • Service Children’s education (SCE) school in Germany or Cyprus
    See Annex B for Exemptions and paragraph 2.11 for ‘where induction may not be served’ of the Statutory guidance on induction for NQTs in England (PDF, 317KB) (ref: DCSF-00364-2008).

  11. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    No, jubilee, your point about doing your induction year in a National Curriculum school is not valid. I agree that the whole purpose of completing your induction year is so that then you are fully qualified to work in the UK. The only problem, as you yourself have said, is that it is almost impossible to get a job in the UK at the moment, so therefore your raison d'etre for doing your induction year is pretty worthless, isn't it?
    As I said earlier, most NQTs have a straight choice: work overseas or be unemployed. There is no other option. Completing your induction year in the UK is <u>not</u> an option for most NQTs because there are so few jobs. Your own problems with employment prove my point, surely? Very shortly another lot of NQTs will be coming onto the job market in the UK, making it even harder to get a job and complete your induction year. The present round of government cutbacks in education are going to make it harder still to get a job.
    When I spoke to the NQTs who are currently teaching at my school in Qatar, they all said that they would have preferred to have stayed in the UK and done their induction year. When I asked them why they did not do that, they said that there are so few jobs in the UK that they decided to go overseas instead. Quod erat demonstrandum, surely? And when are you going to start applying for overseas jobs? It's still not too late to get a job in a British-style international school for September, if you do not want to be unemployed next year.
  12. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    I wasn't arguing for new teachers to stop taking teaching opportunities abroad!
    They should do that if that's what they want and if they can get jobs abroad without having any post-qualifying teaching experience in the UK.
    QTS, acquired after your training period, makes you fully qualified, not the Induction year! Induction is simply nother hurdle to pass IF you want to teach in the UK State Maintained (or non-Maintained Special school) sectors up to the age of 16 yrs.
    The solution to lack of UK teaching is not overseas teaching in all cases! I have a husband with a good job and an elderly relative who needs my support for her chemotherapy treatments and consultant appointments. I also have adult children and an extended family with whom I like to keep in regular contact, not to mention my community commitments and my student rental property.
    I'm also just 2 and half years off retirement age and doubt I'd be in the running for contract jobs here or abroad.

  13. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Oh well, teaching in an international school is not for everybody, I suppose. On the other hand, neither is teaching in the UK, especially when there are so few jobs.

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