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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, May 3, 2018.


Were the RNLI right to fire these men?

  1. No

  2. Yes

  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Ideological tool trumps lifesaving heroes:

    Lifeboatman with 15 years' service is one of two sacked after their 'jokey' tea mugs showing naked women were branded a 'safeguarding risk' in case visiting school children saw them


    'A lifeboatman who served with the RNLI for 15 years was sacked alongside his junior colleague for having mugs with naked women on them in the office.


    When a senior female member of staff found them at the headquarters in North Yorkshire, their jobs were brought into question.

    The pair were initially told to destroy the mugs and that they would face no further action.

    But the men, who are not paid for their work with the RLNI, then had to go through a disciplinary hearing that looked through their private Whatsapp messages.

    They were eventually let go, sparking resignations from four of their colleagues in protest, reports The Sun.


    An RNLI spokesman told the BBC: 'We are aware of speculation about the issue on social media but we want to stress that this was not a trivial matter.'

    'The lifeboat station should be an environment where people can expect to be treated with dignity and respect.

    'We cannot allow bullying, harassment or discrimination in what should be a safe and inclusive environment and there will be serious consequences for anybody who demonstrates this behaviour within the RNLI.

    'Our dedicated volunteers represent the values and principles of our organisation and we will not allow any behaviour that brings the work of the RNLI and our people into disrepute.'

    A petition has now been started by locals to revoke the sackings, which the men themselves are also believed to be appealing.
    DailyMail.co.uk, Mint Images/REX/Shutterstock, 3rd May 2018.

    "Safeguarding", allegedly. What was this woman, doubtless paid, thinking of in firing these men and setting off a cascade of resignations? Lifeboat workers risk their lives voluntarily every time they are called to duty but now these men they are just scalps around the neck of some shortsighted bureaucrat. Certainly, ask these heroes to keep their mugs out of sight or remove them if their lifeboat station is to be run as a children's theme park but to search their phone data and fire them? This is insanity. RNLI, fire this moronic manager before she manages your voluntary workforce out of the door.

    Tweet @RNLI and tell them how you feel about this stupid decision which is putting lives at risk.
    monicabilongame likes this.
  2. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Surely removing the cups would have also removed any safeguarding concerns?
    JL48, Dragonlady30, BetterNow and 4 others like this.
  3. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I suspect this is the real root of the problem.
  4. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    I've recently come up against a similar over-reaction. I wonder what the world is coming to. It feels a bit like Cromwell's time sometimes. The word safeguarding is one of the vaguest and most useful to those with no sense of humour or sense of proportion.
    elder_cat, Vince_Ulam and nomad like this.
  5. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    I'm female and I would have found it funny. The female in question was, as is the modern way, assuming that everyone would agree with her and, in effect, bullied her point of view to the fore. It is the scourge of our time that if you disagree with the mob view you are automatically a terrible person, however ridiculous the charge.
  6. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    What nonsense. Is the "safeguarding" thing going to take place of the notorious "Health and Safety" mantra of a few years back in the way it is used to promote ridiculous actions?
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Neo-Puritans strike again...
    lexus300, Sally006, woollani and 5 others like this.
  8. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    Could it all be a 'storm in a tea cup?'
  9. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    Oh yes! As fosters carers we're expected to make all kinds of unreasonable adjustments because someone has said the word 'safeguarding'. Of course nothing that is done makes anyone any safer, but there is a paper trail to 'prove' that safeguarding was done, so backs are covered. meanwhile everyone has yet more paperwork meaning less time to ACTUALLY look after the children. Madness.

    When we moved into our current house we had a survey done by a surveyor who turned out to be useless. But he did point out a standard feature which surveyors are sometimes expected to identify as 'dangerous'. When we had a second survey the second surveyor said, 'I bet the other guy told you that X was dangerous?' We said that indeed he had. The second surveyor was dismissive. It's not dangerous, just one of those things that has found its way onto a tick list somewhere. But the first surveyor had missed a genuinely dangerous but non-standard feature of the house. It wasn't on his tick list and he didn't have the wit to look for genuine problems. It's the modern way.
  10. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    Assuming that there is nothing more to the background of the story ,it sounds as if "safeguarding" is indeed become a thing!

    As a woman, those silly mugs do not offend me at all. The guys could have just been told to make sure they were out of sight when school kids were visiting. I assume that visits are planned, so no problem just putting the mugs away in a cupboard. I truly hope that maybe there was more to the story and not just the mugs!
    Last edited: May 3, 2018
    chelsea2 and Laphroig like this.
  11. Laphroig

    Laphroig Lead commenter

    Tasteless, maybe, not really funny but definitely not sackable in this female’s opinion.
  12. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    Perish the thought a child should see a picture of some uncovered flesh. When the naked bike ride was happening in York last year the local paper had a brilliant quote from a woman who said that she wasn't bothered but 'what if my children saw?' Well what? Would their eyes fall out? it feels like it's about time children saw real bodies rather than the air-brushed ones they are likely to encounter on the web in their teenage years, leading them to believe that adults have no body hair, blemishes or fat.
    Sally006 and elder_cat like this.
  13. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    I'd be far less bothered about children seeing a bit of bare flesh, humorously presented or not, than the unremitting and unrealistic violence of television and films these days. Where has our sense of proportion gone? One of the saddest things I've seen recently was a young man who punched another young man who died. 'It was only one punch,' he said. In a film the dead man would have been able to take a severe beating and get up and walk away. This kind of trivialisation of violence is truly damaging.
    T34 and elder_cat like this.
  14. Noja

    Noja Senior commenter

    There is more to this. Three have resigned, and the charge is production of pornography and bullying and intimidation.
  15. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Two have been fired, another four have resigned.

    A pair of joke mugs.

    People sticking up for themselves and bemoaning the stupidity of a decision.
    artboyusa, monicabilongame and nomad like this.
  16. Caoimhseach

    Caoimhseach Lead commenter

    Do you have a link to these allegations against the volunteers?

    "production of pornography" is hardly a realistic allegation for buying a mug.

    I think there is nothing to this.
    Vince_Ulam likes this.
  17. Noja

    Noja Senior commenter

    I am not sure that is all it is. The report last night said that the local facebook and twitter stuff was not all there was to it and this comes after the coxswain in Scarborough being sacked for taking the new boat on a trip with non-RNLI members which apparently had been done lots of times and there was a similar outcry, lots of resignations. I was told it is the RNLI tightening up as a reaction to the Oxfam staff crisis, that charities are being held up to a different standard now.
  18. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    If there's "more to it" than an offensive image on a mug, why aren't we being told? If they've been assaulting people or stealing or any other type of gross misconduct then there wouldn't be an outcry that they have been sacked so why wouldn't the RNLI tell us if that was the case. I would consider some sort of privacy issue, but considering the photo they published, I don't think that's their priority.
    I don't see how this is anything like the coxswain in Scarborough being sacked either. Taking a boat out on a jolly is clearly unacceptable, even if people had done so in the past.
    nomad and Vince_Ulam like this.
  19. sadscientist

    sadscientist Senior commenter

    OMG....it's a typhoon in a teacup?
    Dragonlady30 and lanokia like this.
  20. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I'm sure it is. I expect there were jokey mugs with naked figures on them, "pornography" would seem to be the go-to charge if someone wished to make a fuss about this and get some scalps.

    Unspecified non-RNLI members.

    By all means stop managers sexually harassing their team members but it's an abuse of the example to compare these two issues.

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