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Non Exam Assessments - schools must do all pupil appeals from September!

Discussion in 'Heads of department' started by Peterpipergirl, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. Peterpipergirl

    Peterpipergirl New commenter

  2. SundaeTrifle

    SundaeTrifle New commenter

    Thanks for pointing this out. I normally don't tell marks because I don't want the argument. Also we need to mark in good time to allow candidates to request a review.
     
  3. binaryhex

    binaryhex Established commenter

    Good grief. Surely this can't be true!

    There is nothing like telling students their coursework marks to cause hassles, parents complaints and now remarks! Who will do them if you are in a small department in school? Who will pay for them to be done? I hope Heads have noticed this and budgeted accordingly, and put an ad in the papers for people to do appeals.
     
  4. Skeoch

    Skeoch Established commenter

    Here's an opportunity, perhaps. Contact the school down the road. Offer to do their assessments if they do yours. Share ideas and expertise. Find ways of balancing the load (might need the other school on the other side of town for that).
     
  5. binaryhex

    binaryhex Established commenter

    ????
    That's not an opportunity. That's a workload increase!!!! I think teachers will be bug gered before they start agreeing to remark another school's courseworks - they have enough to do in their own job, thanks.
     
  6. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Occasional commenter

    For a MAT a quid pro quo will operate with coursework being passed between centres. I suspect HoDs / teachers will not get any choice over the extra marking in this situation.
     
  7. Peterpipergirl

    Peterpipergirl New commenter

    That might work, but HoDs who are asked to mark another school's coursework might well be in their rights to say no, if they have to mark 30 appeals but don't have any appeals to give themselves. I can see Unions backing them on this one. The imbalance of student numbers in different schools could cause problems, as could small schools, rural schools and schools already with a lack of specialists due to recruitment issues.
     
  8. snail_friendly

    snail_friendly Occasional commenter

    It also states:

    Centres must also make it clear to candidates that any centre assessed marks are subject to change through the moderation process.

    Which seems, to me anyway, that remarking / reviewing pre-submission is a waste of time!

    And to be fair, don't most schools already review the NEAs ... I know we do for the S&L!
     
  9. RosyGlow

    RosyGlow New commenter

    Really? We moderate GCSE S&L, but we don't give students and parents the opportunity of a remark. This is going to cause a lot of problems for us - I've no idea who might be called upon to review our A' Level coursework marking, but I bet parents will want it done.

    It also means the marking will have to be done earlier. A lot earlier for teachers with large classes.
     
  10. snail_friendly

    snail_friendly Occasional commenter

    What I meant was, most schools already review / internally moderate marking which means that students wanting marks internally reviewed are likely to have already been part of the process?
     
  11. RosyGlow

    RosyGlow New commenter

    I never tell A' Level candidate their marks. In feedback sessions, I look at the mark scheme with them, and ask them which bands they think they're in, and get them to think about how they could move through the bands. When they hand it in, I tell them to forget about it, and focus on the exam. So, there are no 'internal reviews'. Students are not part of the moderation process.

    If we give out marks, as we must now, there will be many parents and students asking for a review because they will think they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. We are a small school, and not part of a MAT, so it's not going to be straightforward for us.
     
  12. pianopete

    pianopete New commenter

    Interesting that the spec (I teach AQA A level English Language) mentions nothing about this. In fact, we were told that once we actually mark the work that is it, no more changes can be made (new spec doesn't allow marking of drafts). As a result we never discussed potential marks/grades with students, just bands and the mark scheme and through discussion only (no notes on drafts allowed) they could improve their work. Therefore, a little like RosyGlow above, I didn't tell students their marks and if I did it was after they had been moderated internally, submitted to the board and could not be changed (plus given the newness of it all kids were working right up to the deadline). Additionally, I imagine another centre would be as limited in experience as we were in terms of marking new spec coursework with very limited exemplars.
     
  13. RosyGlow

    RosyGlow New commenter

    It's not been mentioned until this month. I let my A' Level Lit students choose their own texts (with guidance and advice), so can't imagine who will want to do the necessary reading to be able to do reviews.
     
  14. binaryhex

    binaryhex Established commenter

    Schools do not have the option of conveniently forgetting about the JCQ regulations for 2017-2018. It is also part of a teacher's teaching standards to follow appropriate regulations. Schools must now give out NEA marks to students, must have an appeal process, must tell students and parents about it, must give students the option of an appeal and must have it done by someone not connected to the NEA. All this must be done in good time so marks can be submitted to exam boards. It is not a choice. You can't not do it because you didn't do it before.

    If you are in a pushy school, a grammar or independent, many parents are likely to know the rules better than you so ignore at your peril. Chav Central academies might be able to bullpoo their students that they don't have the right to an appeal, but you might be in serious trouble if found out. Why risk your job? Inform the SLT so they can put aside twenty thousand to cover appeals, and can start the search for suitable external staff to do the appeals, and crack on.
     
  15. RosyGlow

    RosyGlow New commenter

    I don't think anyone is thinking of conveniently forgetting about the regulations. I'm sure we will all follow the rules, but I do wonder how we, and other small centres, will do this. Changing the hand in date won't be difficult, but finding an external reviewer won't be easy.
     
  16. pianopete

    pianopete New commenter

    Also, if we appeal exam paper results as a school we have to pay. Will students who want to appeal their NEA grade have to pay the school or whoever the school gets to externally standardise?
     
  17. binaryhex

    binaryhex Established commenter

    Should students pay? This will be in your NEA Appeals procedure. You do have an NEA Appeals procedure, don't you? If you are in a deprived area or a student is on pupil premium, the school should pay. My concern is appeals will be easy for wealthy parents and schools in wealthy areas.

    Smaller schools should start advertising now for suitable people to do the appeals. They might be able to pay teachers from other schools to do it. I know one school near me are suggesting a figure of £60 per appeal, as it would take about three hours to complete each one from start to finish.

    I know from posts on Mumsnet and other places that students and parents are becoming more aware that they have the right to appeal their NEA marks so expect e.g. In Computer Science appeals to be in the tens of thousand, because there are so many poorly qualified and experienced Computing teachers teaching a GCSE classes.
     
  18. GloriaSunshine

    GloriaSunshine New commenter

    Our school does not have an NEA Appeals procedure - obviously we will have one very soon. Is this something most schools have had in place?
     
  19. pianopete

    pianopete New commenter

    No GloriaSunshine, we've never had appeals before. That said, coursework (old style) was always collaborative so generally students ended up happy with the mark they worked for and understood that once moderated it couldn't be changed. I guess it's something our exams office will have to set up as they make sure we adhere to JCQ regulations. We have several schools in our trust but not many teach standalone A Level Language. If they did, we'd have been sharing ideas/resources long ago!
     
  20. RosyGlow

    RosyGlow New commenter

    We've never had appeals, and it won't be easy for us to find reviewers for Literature. While other schools may have teachers willing to review scripts, who has the time in April/May? I certainly won't be happy if it's added to my workload, which is almost impossible to manage successfully at that time of year.
     

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