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NHS haemorrhaging nurses - next will be teachers ...

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

  2. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Senior commenter

    Didn't think there were that many teachers in the NHS :p
  3. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Teachers and nurses are in much the same position as each other. Both deliver essential services, and are needed in large numbers. The Government pretends it likes the members of each profession, but in its eagerness to keep costs down treats them both quite badly (or allows arms length employers).
    I thought we were already losing teachers in quite high numbers.
  4. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I wonder if anyone has investigated the effect of Brexit on the number of teachers leaving.
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  5. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

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  6. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I met (& worked with) a number of EU citizens, especially over the last 10 years or so of my career (e.g. this century). I have wondered whether those not married to UK citizens, and without GB citizenship, will actually decide to stay, and equally, whether as many will come in future.

    My guess is that Brexit will neither encourage those here to stay, not be a positive draw for new EU teachers to look for a job here, even if they qualify under whatever new rules are imposed.
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  7. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    I suppose that’s a No said David Davis
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  8. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    many nurses and other hospital staff come form the EU, so I wondered whether, because of Brexit, will EU teachers leave the UK, and others be deterred from coming here. In either case, will this have an impact of teacher numbers?
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  9. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    It's already happening. My school is ranked outstanding in a leafy area and we simply can't recruit maths, science or MFL teachers. SLT have offered to retrain and support teachers in other subjects who want to retrain to fill vacancies internally and then advertise for teachers to fill the gaps in the not so hard to recruit to subjects. This is the worst of all situations for the students as they lose experienced teachers in one subject to be taught by, perhaps, newer teachers and the students in the hard to recruit subjects get taught by non-specialists teachers who have retrained from History, RE etc.
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  10. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

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  11. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, and even if a 'good deal' is worked out, I struggle to see how it can not have an impact on the numbers coming here to work from the EU.

    Even if there's no real difference to prospects and access on the ground, at least some in the EU who would have come over will see we've left and presume things are not as good, so won't bother digging further.
  12. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    I strongly suspect that there are some very good teachers in your area that could fill these posts. But you will almost certainly find that SLT aren't prepared to pay them properly, and/or come out with rubbish like they won't fit in. Also, as I've said many times, SLT know where they can shove their safer recruitment policy! People like me, who know their subjects inside out, and make a good living tutoring, might condescend to email a CV, but won't waste time on application forms.
  13. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    I think that if anyone is making "a good living" outside of mainstream teaching why on Earth would they want to get involved? It is a "no brainer" as our American friends would say.
  14. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    I think you're right.
  15. chrisoakey

    chrisoakey Occasional commenter

    No need to put RE teachers in there. As it happens there are fewer specialists teaching RE than any other subject. The subject is already largely delivered by non-specialists and can ill-afford to lose any.
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  16. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Why would Brexit, in itself, make them leave? They will still have a job, pay tax, get all the benefits etc. Why would the UK ban people with skills in shortage areas?
  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    It's not a question of them being 'banned' - it's the belief (whether that belief is accurate or not) in the rest of Europe that they are unwelcome here. There are other places that people with skills can choose to live & work, of course.
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  18. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Exactly what is happening to employees form the EU in the Health Service.
  19. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Firstly, it creates a generally negative attitude towards continental Europeans. We’ve already seen a rise in racially motivated attacks since the vote.

    Secondly, those here deciding to leave is only one part of the problem. Even if their rights are protected, that will only apply to those already here. How many fewer will apply in the future? And will they even be able to? Wasn’t there a story last year about teachers’ salaries Not being enough to make it a job for which employers can import labour?
  20. Marshall

    Marshall Lead commenter

    There are two major issues in this - in my opinion:
    1. Funding
    2. Teachers are not as highly regarded as they once were.

    Of course this is a huge subject and you could do a PhD on it!

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