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New ICT curriculum ... Working group? Just a thought

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by Slighty, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. Loving the concept of fresher IT curriculum, here is MY problem I am a proper qualified IT teacher degree and 5 yrs consultancy in industry prIor to the class room and I welcome "some" change. HOWEVER I work in a small fairly low ability school and I am the ONLY IT teacher. The mgmt had the vision to Not teach them in KS3 (yr 7 & 8) as they could pick up these skills cross curricular ie spreadsheets in maths/science DB in geography MovieMaking in history etc...this plan means we need to address this issue as only I , currently , can teach programming.

    Next issue is that the OCR National have their critics but for the majority of our learners these generic skills, make web site, business skills, simple animation although (sometimes) dry to teach are the MOST useful for their careers ie the wannabe Plummer/hair dresser could set up their own web site, use excel to track finances etc etc ....so I'm loving the big change but one size does not fit all.

    Reading these comments there is a lot of work already going on out there already but to my knowledge there is little guidance on what the changes will be ... Ie what new units need to be planned, assessment criteria etc, dooes anyone know?

    so how about a working group to help support each others work load, ideas and skills gaps.

    I am looking at ALICE greenfoot Game maker Flash and other apps to make fun while including the programming element please email me at tim_slight@hotmail.com if you wish to discuss the way ahead and work together to support each other. Cheers
     
  2. Loving the concept of fresher IT curriculum, here is MY problem I am a proper qualified IT teacher degree and 5 yrs consultancy in industry prIor to the class room and I welcome "some" change. HOWEVER I work in a small fairly low ability school and I am the ONLY IT teacher. The mgmt had the vision to Not teach them in KS3 (yr 7 & 8) as they could pick up these skills cross curricular ie spreadsheets in maths/science DB in geography MovieMaking in history etc...this plan means we need to address this issue as only I , currently , can teach programming.

    Next issue is that the OCR National have their critics but for the majority of our learners these generic skills, make web site, business skills, simple animation although (sometimes) dry to teach are the MOST useful for their careers ie the wannabe Plummer/hair dresser could set up their own web site, use excel to track finances etc etc ....so I'm loving the big change but one size does not fit all.

    Reading these comments there is a lot of work already going on out there already but to my knowledge there is little guidance on what the changes will be ... Ie what new units need to be planned, assessment criteria etc, dooes anyone know?

    so how about a working group to help support each others work load, ideas and skills gaps.

    I am looking at ALICE greenfoot Game maker Flash and other apps to make fun while including the programming element please email me at tim_slight@hotmail.com if you wish to discuss the way ahead and work together to support each other. Cheers
     
  3. djphillips1408

    djphillips1408 New commenter

    Would love to get involved but as I am not a proper teacher like you are then sorry I wll have to stand down
     
  4. You seem more belligerent than usual today. A problem shared is a problem halved ...
     
  5. Also not a proper teacher [​IMG]. Perhaps us "non-specialists" should start our own working group. I wonder which curriculum will be better..... (!)

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Goodness me have I offended, ....and I wasn't even trying. What I meant was I (we) are qualified to teach ICT often I see teachers that know a bit of MS Office being given lessons there was a PE teacher and Maths teacher delivering the lessons when I started, speaking to mates this is common, so if you not experienced it then you are lucky. I know about WWI and II that doesn't make me a History teacher ! We seem to be rare breed but I meant no offence so if you are hurting then I apologise.
     
  7. djphillips1408

    djphillips1408 New commenter

    Just because you "know" about any subject to any level does not mean that you can teach it. And just because you did not qualify in a subject does not mean that you are therefore unable to teach it. Most of the computing people I have come access made bloody hopeless teachers
     
  8. Right ....and your eyes i MIGHT be one of them, meanwhile now we've all had a good night sleep - back to the initial request... HELPING each other out...
     
  9. djphillips1408

    djphillips1408 New commenter

    I never said that did I. Perhaps you could point me in the direction where I stated that I could judge the teaching skills of someone who I have never met...... As for helping well I am pretty happy that I am doing my bit,check the resource bank.
     
  10. tonyuk

    tonyuk Occasional commenter

    Agreed in the main! Atill love the way we are all running headlong into computing with no thought about the fact that hardly any pupils will use computing outside school in teh wokplace but are very likely to use wordprocessors, spreadsheets,webdesign etc!
     
  11. 2r2e

    2r2e New commenter

    Slightly - keep plugging away,. Your idea is a good one and shouldn't be derailed by others going off topic in the way the above have. I'm KS2 looking to increase use of Scratch etc as a foundation for KS3 work so will be interested in developments. Cheers.
     
  12. Do you have a Twitter Tim?

     
  13. BarryRiley

    BarryRiley New commenter

    What's a low ability school?
     
  14. If you recall, one of the things Mr. Gove stressed - and has been stressed by many others since his announcement - is that IT teaching should not be a Microsoft training course. There are many other Office suites - such as Open Office, Libre Office and even Google Documents - that people may be expected to use in work and we should most certainly not be teaching "Microsoft Office skills."
    The question - and the issue I thought at first you wanted to address - is not "teaching skills" which I do admit many have said to be poor in ICT but the courses to be taught. Personally, I agree with DjPhilips here: I would never judge teaching skills from a quick look or from a meeting, much less from an open forum, and I do not think it would be appropriate for anyone to try to do so. A working group shoud first consider the subject and when that is resolved then, and only then, can the needs and performance of teaching staff be assessed or dealt with.
     
  15. Kids dont need training to word process unless you wanna be observed teaching them touch typing. A lot probably wont use spreadsheets or design a web page. How many adults are working in industry using these tools perfectly fine that didn't really do any ICT in schools?
    We dont force science to train kids up in 'stuff they'll use in their jobs'. We are here to educate to produce sharpened minds not to spew out a 5 year+ dull training course that people can pick up in a 1-5day course if they need to when they're adults.
     
  16. Well said.
     
  17. There's me thinking that this was a good idea I feel I have thrown a grenade into a room !! let me clear up some points

    A) I never said that non ICT specialist teachers are poor, but I have seen those that "know a bit" given lessons - like my girlfriend being asked to teach Art - she is a music teacher but because it comes under creative arts she was given it, and done a good job but she LOVES the music.
    B) I am not saying we should be teaching MS Office - but because their might be a shortage of resource, people, money, skills or most improtantly TIME people can be reluclant to "play" with Flash or Alice, Scratch to get into real computing - thus thr MS Suite is a comfortable corner that can the stayed within (ie MOST the nationals can be delivered using Office units 1, 4,5,6 for example!)
    C) I don't believe that the NEW curriculumn is announced yet? so it is hard to truely share ideas / resources
    The idea of this post was not to criticise, or be criticised (words being turned and misinterpreted!) it was simply to "come together" (as Lennon/McCartney) once said to help, support each other NOT REINVENT the wheel (if you have time for that you are luckier than me!!)
    Again apologies if i offended or tickled the wrong belly - if you are with me then lets go for this
    email above twitter SlightTim
    Cheers
    x
     
  18. DEmsley

    DEmsley New commenter

    There are also a lot of good and interesting approaches to MS Office once you leave the beaten track - VBA in PowerPoint for a branching, a la Ian Livingstone, story. etc
    Possibly a <strike>very</strike> good toe-in-the-code for starters?


     

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