# National Expectations?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by Giggleswick, Jun 2, 2008.

1. ### Giggleswick

Where can I look for a list of all the expectations for each year group - have tried googling but not having any success.

3. ### Giggleswick

Not really but thanks for the link - will be useful anyway. No I just wanted to know what level each year group is expected to attain.

4. ### just_keep_swimming

End year 2: Level 2
End Year 6: Level 4

Therefore, End Year 4: Level 3.

Expected progress is one level (or 3 sublevels) every 2 yrs.
HTH

5. ### Giggleswick

Thanks JKS but is there not a more specific breakdown e.g. Year 2 = 2B?

6. ### becktonboyNew commenter

no, because sub-levels are arbitrary, they were made up by the QCA.
Our marine friend has it about right but school expectations are wildly different.

7. ### Cornishboy

level 2b = average year 2
Expected progress in Y2 is now a level so average y1 = 1b
Progress in Y3 is generally fixed at a third of a level so average =2a
y4 expected progress = 2/3 level so average = 3b
y5 expected progress 2/3 level average = 4c
y6 expected progress = 1/3 of a level average =4b

However you do have to define what average is!!

The above are a little general but a good indicator

For the able add 2/3 of a level to each yearly expectation

For the less able deduct 2/3 of a level

8. ### just_keep_swimming

Are you wanting to know for yourself or to put in reports for parents? If the latter, then I wouldn't go into sub-levels (unless your school asks for this - questionable logic tho IMO), use phrases like ' broadly in line with national expectations' (or below or above as appropriate).

Can see where Cornish boy's breakdown comes from but personally feel these are too prescriptive - e.g. chn make more progress in yr 6 at our school (whether they will still be at their May level come September is debatable tho!).

If (when?!) APP comes in, sub-levels will be history (yaaaaay!) so we might as well get used to the new language of assessment!

9. ### Cornishboy

Can't see how sub levels will ever be history, esp for teachers needing to prove progress in performance management situations - a child just in a level as they enter a class could still be, quite correctly still in that level 2 years later - won't we all want to prove progress has been made?
Also having looked at the APP stuff it might not give thirds of a level but it gives not secure, secure and nearly out of, or words to that effect which to me is thirds of a level. Most of the computer assessment programs we have will need data which will break the levels down - I think they're here to stay although the form may change

10. ### NicoleKNew commenter

Yup- they are here to stay. The language has simply changed from c, b, a to low, secure, high.

We're not fooled! It means the exact same thing!

11. ### just_keep_swimming

Ok true...however, I stand by what I said about telling parents sublevels - they don't need to know anything more than whether their child is working in line with national expectation or not.

12. ### NicoleKNew commenter

Our parents insist on knowing. As they get that sort of detail on the end of Key stage 1 print out that we have to give them, they demand it from then on. (we don't provide it in Year 1).

13. ### just_keep_swimming

We don't have KS1 so not exactly same issue I guess.

I teach Year 6 and in our initial parents evening I tried to explain sub-levels to some who clearly didn't really understand what the letters and numbers all meant. I intend to keep it as simple as I can unless asked for more detail. APP will at least be more parent-friendly from that point of view!

14. ### Giggleswick

Thanks for your help - yes I need them for reports - we have to say whether in line. above etc but there will be a seperate sheet to outline what the sublevel expectations are so I needed to know so I can say where they are - our parents also demand to know!