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More uniform madness

Discussion in 'Education news' started by blazer, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. num3bers

    num3bers Occasional commenter

    To be altogether honest, I am not sure I would be opposed to a teachers uniform. At least we would all look similar, would be easily spotted in classroom, corridor or at parents evenings etc. and the kids couldnt complain that they were forced to wear xyz whilst teachers could wear what they liked.
    One of the things I found difficult in a very large comp I once taught in is that half the kids didn't know me and ignored my commands to do as the rules required. This was because they didn't recognise me as a teacher. Those teachers they knew had no problems.

    Of course, it would be even better if the school had to pay for it ( like they do in the Post Office, Mc Donalds and most shops). It would save me a fortune and I wouldnt be worrying about what to wear.
     
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  2. install

    install Star commenter

    I would love a teacher uniform too. I think it would show that it really is just a job and nothing more. Afterall police, nurses, post people all have uniforms too..:)

    But not the lining up in the rain :eek:
     
  3. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    The only uniform that I would favour for teachers is the wearing of their university graduation gowns. It would have the added benefit of making it crystal clear when under-qualified people are leading a lesson.
     
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  4. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    When I was at school, staff used to wear their gowns to morning assembly, which showed up the PE and games staff, who had no degrees.
     
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  5. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    What about those of us who didn't go to University?
     
  6. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    If you didn't go to university, do you have a degree? If not, why are you claiming to be a teacher?
     
  7. Pomz

    Pomz Lead commenter

    I've been to university, but certainly don't possess any gowns! Never bothered with all that presentation stuff...
     
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  8. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Rather an aggressive response, @FrankWolley

    There are still teachers in the system who went through the Cert.Ed. route before degrees were required. They would have finished their teacher training in 1976 or thereabouts when a bachelor's degree became a requirement for new teachers in the whole of the United Kingdom.
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2017
  9. num3bers

    num3bers Occasional commenter

    I dont think you have to be a graduate to wear a gown. Its the academic hood that determines that status. I wore an undergraduate gown at university. I still have it somewhere. I also have my graduate cap hood and gown but the school decided to hire in all gowns and regalia so I no longer needed it.

    I also know I once had a Head Master when I was at school who constantly wore a gown in assembly. He didn't have a degree, he held something called an LCP - which was a bit like a degree but dint give you the cap and hood.

    The Deputy Head of the same school on the other hand was a real graduate. He wore a lovely Hood and Cap and showed the Head up a bit really. Other teachers who were mainly Cert Eds ( sub degree level from teaching colleges) didnt have caps either, but they too had gowns I recall. In fact we only had three graduates in the whole school ( and as I said, the Head teacher was not one of them) . The rest were cert Eds. I am not knocking Cert Eds. They were decent teachers but sometimes not quite up on subject knowledge - but good enough for your average middle of the road working class type school ( not grammar). The kind I went to.
     
  10. curlyk

    curlyk New commenter

    Can you believe this is still an issue in 2017 !. I presume this madness has flared up again because the majority of our State Secondary schools are now Academies/ Independent schools,run as businesses. To get your school noticed,i.e.chosen by lots of lovely,supportive parents ,you now need a)a top position in the league tables and b) a 'posh' looking uniform. What says upmarket,high achieving, high standards school better than the requirement for your child to sport a blazer with a flashy badge and non supermarket provided uniform essentials !! , . Independent schools require extensive,exclusive uniform,so Academies better do the same . Is that what our schools have been reduced to ? Will we be going back to measuring the length of a girl's skirt by making her kneel down and checking the skirt reaches the floor ,1960s style.? School uniform was supposed to be inclusive,not divisive . Students have always found ways to 'rebel' against uniform rules, the length of the tie, an untucked shirt, a non uniform scarf etc. What a ridiculous waste of teachers time , imposing tests on the colour of trousers.! Just when I think our current education system has reached the nadir of stupidity it comes out with something even more stupid. As for teacher uniform ,surely professional people know how to dress appropriately for their place of work . When I started teaching in the late 1970s a senior member of staff would soon drop you a hint on the appropriateness ,or not ,of your attire. Suits and ties for men, or jackets and smart trousers ,smart clothing for women,the ties could be removed in the summer ,once the rule for pupils to wear ties was relaxed,at the Head's discretion . Low necklines, bare legs,scruffy garments ,jeans etc were frowned upon. Staff set the standards for the students to follow,in dress and behaviour. Surely schools should be concentrating on the quality of the education they provide,not the quality of the inform they require from the students . Surely SMTs would do better to be spending their time seeking out well qualified staff and thus guaranteeing that subjects are being taught by specialists in their subjects .
     
  11. delmamerchant

    delmamerchant Established commenter

    I must say I am getting fed up with the press reporting basic issues in such a overly dramatic and misleading way. Pupils have to wear signs around their neck - when infact they are lanyards which are present in most schools these days. Just report it like it is and we will be able to have more informed discussions.
     
  12. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Balls to lanyards. I hate them. I managed a twenty year career perfectly fine without one, thanks. You know, back in the 'pervert reduced' days of teaching when we were actually more trusted and respected.
     
  13. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    What if some of the girls already have skirts and their parents cannot afford to shell out for more kit? What if their bums look bigger in trousers? Or they suffer from thrush?!!
     
  14. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    It's on the cards. Psychology plays a big part. My happiest job was at a very very good state sixth form College, which regularly got kids into Oxbridge and red brick. We all wore smart jeans, staff and students. It was nice.
     
  15. galerider123

    galerider123 Established commenter

    Exactly.
     
  16. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    I hold a Grad RSC parts I and II equivalent to a 2:1 honours degree gained day release at Warley Tech. This was preceded with HNC Chemistry at Birmingham Poly and ONC at Matthew Boulton College. All day release paid for by my employers. The only time I was at Uni was for my PGCE. Shock, horror I don't have A levels either!
     
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  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    And - I'm assuming - you aren't in the first flush of youth also. Times change, and expectations as well.
     
  18. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Lead commenter

    Since when has the level of a person's degree correlated with how good a teacher they are?
     
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  19. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    Having a good degree may not make one a better teacher - but not having the subject knowledge that goes with having a good degree will make you a bad teacher, and probably a failed one, at many of the schools I worked in during my career as bright pupils soon sniff out a teacher unsure of their subject, and play on it.

    FWIW These days (very different than the 1960s or before), a good degree should be the starting point for qualifying as a teacher. But personality and other attributes (confidence, empathy, enthusiasm etc.) are equally important - but as well as, not instead of, a good degree.
     
  20. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Established commenter

    What it does show is that there is nothing new as to the different routes into teaching. You do not have to go to university to get a degree, I do agree your subject knowledge needs to be at degree level. I followed the same route as blazer and the subject knowledge was pure chemistry beyond ONC and I found I could easily teach up to A level in the physical sciences and GCSE in the biological sciences. The most important aspect any teacher can offer while gaining qualifications via a non university route is a wider experience.
     

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