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Migrants welcome! (But not that welcome)

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    It is unclear if this gentleman was volunteering at seventy years of age to help immigrants in Germany's 2015 migrant crisis, or whether he was still a paid social worker, but either way did he really expect that unlimited immigration would not deprive German people of resources? Perhaps he realised it but was content as long as those resources were not his own:

    Let this be a warning to those who would fling open the doors to our own country. Even if your property is not directly transferred to the undeserving then that of your relatives or neighbours might be, and certainly your taxes.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2019
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  2. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Established commenter

    The risk of things going to people who've don't deserve them is what most people call "society". I know for a fact that some of my taxes must be going to those who don't deserve them because the taxpayer is doubtless responsible for whatever care in the community mishap allows you access to an internet connection.
  3. sadscientist

    sadscientist Senior commenter

    RT has been frequently described as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government[11] and its foreign policy.[12][13][14][15][16][17] RT has also been accused of spreading disinformation[17][18][19] by news reporters,[20][21]including some former RT reporters.[22][23][24] The United Kingdom media regulator, Ofcom, has repeatedly found RT to have breached its rules on impartiality and of broadcasting "materially misleading" content.[25][26][27][28]RT's editor-in-chief compared it with the Russian Army and Defence Ministry, and talked about it "waging the information war against the entire Western world."[29] September 2017, RT America was ordered to register as a "foreign agent" with the United States Department of Justice under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Under the act, RT will be required to disclose financial information.[30]

  4. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  5. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    Pretty much the point Thatcher was saying in her ‘no such thing as society’ speech, although it has been misconstrued. We have a responsibility to help those less fortunate than ourselves, but those who are in a worse position should not expect it as a matter of course - and certainly not as a replacement for trying to improve their position themselves.
  6. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Fair point but some of those accusations could be levelled at the BBC as well.

    Most of them tell the truth. Few of them tell the whole truth.
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  7. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    1 it wasn't a speech, it was an interview for Woman's Own magazine.
    2 the perfidiousness of it quite clear.

    She meant that people only had any duty to poor and needy if they felt like it.
  8. xmal

    xmal Occasional commenter

    I think any intelligent person can look at RT and decide what is propaganda and what is not. I do like RT as it does give an alternative perspective and runs story that western media wont touch (this being a prime example). Sadscientist hasn't actually said if he/she thinks this story if fake.
  9. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    State-provided apartment, big enough for 6 people to live in, that currently has one person living in it, and that one person is being told he will have to move into a smaller apartment - also (I understood from the video) state-provided, to make room for the six who need his apartment?

    We do that here. One person living in a 3-bedroom council house is moved to a one-bedroom flat so that a family can have the house.

    Sounds fair to me. Not as if they are chucking him out onto the streets.
  10. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Established commenter

    Actually it would be worse here - they'd hike his rent on the house whether or not anyone else needed it, and whether or not there was a one-bedroom for him to move into, and then evict him when he couldn't pay then rent.
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  11. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    We have a distorted view of what is important and what is necessary.

    A big house for one person is not necessary.
    Apartments are more efficient living spaces than houses.

    But an englishman's home is his castle and should come with a private garden which means more space for fewer people which is unsustainable so let's blame migrants for demand rather than the average brit's unsustainable housing preferences.

    I read a quote recently. Poverty is not caused by our inability to feed the poor, but by our inability to satisfy the rich.

    Britain's housing crisis has similar causes.
  12. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Sounds like he has enough lebensraum already
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  13. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    Actually, that isn't what happens here. If you are in a Council property that exceeds your needs in terms of bedrooms, you can stay as long as you like if you can manage the full rent.
    If you are on means-tested benefits, your Housing Benefit will be reduced if you have surplus bedrooms. Some people decide to move to a smaller property but many cannot because there are few one-bedroomed properties available.
    Some stay put and cut back on food or heating to be able to top up the Housing Benefit, or they dip into modest savings.
  14. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The migrants don't necessarily take up much room. In the news today are 13 restaurant workers (all strangers) packed into a 3-bedroom house in Newcastle. Two were living in the bathroom. Ten were arrested for overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. The other three have had to make further immigration applications and must report regularly to the Home Office while their cases are dealt with.


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