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Migrant Crisis

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vladimir, Feb 24, 2016.

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  1. Vladimir

    Vladimir Senior commenter

    With all the hoo-ha over politicians choosing sides and Dave's pathetic deal, we must not lose sight of the major issue here, which is the migrant crisis and huge numbers of people trying to get into the EU, albeit originally invited, by Germany, or rather, by Frau Merkel.

    It is evident that the EU is failing to deal with the huge numbers coming in and yet a million more (a conservative estimate I would imagine) are set to arrive in this year alone.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...azor-wire-won-t-stop-determined-refugees.html

    In addition to the problems faced trying to house and feed thousands upon thousands of new arrivals, migrants are also a drain on the economy and on services. Germany again:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...URO-shortfall-German-health-service-2017.html

    Our NHS is already floundering. Do we really need more people here to look after? It will cripple the NHS!

    In addition, Germany is facing startling increases in crime:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ences-including-sex-assaults-murder-rise.html

    Can we cope with this, given reductions in the police force? Should we have to accept it? As part of the EU, I would say, yes, we do.

    All these problems are going to get worse because more people are arriving and they won't take 'no' for an answer.

    Whatever we seem like we are going to gain, is save, by remaining in the EU will be vastly overbalanced by immigration. That is the real issue here, not the other issues people want to focus upon.
     
  2. Vladimir

    Vladimir Senior commenter

  3. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    If we leave the EU this will get worse - as even the anti-EU Express admits:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/647094/Calais-EU-Brexit-border

    A diplomatic row erupted after a top ranking official said a historic border treaty would be ripped up and binned after Brexit.

    Calais regional president Xavier Bertrand said France would renege on the terms of Le Touquet Treaty and refuse to police the frontier of a country outside the EU.

    It would see British border checks pushed back across the Channel, raising the spectre of a migrant flood into the UK.

    M Bertrand said: “If Britain leaves Europe, right away the border will leave Calais and go to Dover. We will not continue to guard the border for Britain if it’s no longer in the European Union.


    Of course they wouldn't be reneging on the treaty, but merely using the clause that allows either side to cancel it with 6 months notice.

    So the picture is clear - vote to leave EU, get more illegal economic migrants in the UK, pretending to be asylum seekers.
     
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  4. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Actually it is just as fuzzy as ever
    Leaving the EU won't change the situation
    Staying in won't change the situation.
    The opposing claims are largely propaganda
     
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  5. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    It's pretty clear that - if we leave the EU - the Treaty of Le Touquet will soon be ended - the former GB ambassador to France said the same a week or two ago. Then all passport checks will take place in the UK, not in Calais (or Paris for Eurostar I assume).
     
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  6. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    The french ambassador denied this on live TV a day later.
    She said it would damage France to do so
     
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  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    The argument used was that policing the camp at Calais (& presumably now Dunkirk too costs France huge amounts of money and is extremely unpopular, both inside France & outside (bad for France's reputation). Main opposition parties in the north of France are already committed to abolition of the treaty, and the political will needed to keep it going will disappear if GB leaves the EU.

    Of course the French Ambassador will deny it as there is no plan for it to happen at the moment, and to threaten it would be to intervene in our politics. But if we leave the EU the treaty's days will be numbered.
     
  8. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Probably
    But it is just as likely that the treaty would be disposed of if we stay for the reasons you mention in your first para above.
     
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  9. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    More difficult for one EU member to do that to another, much easier to do it to an ex-member...!
     
  10. dumpty

    dumpty Lead commenter

    Yes, it will not happen as it is shameful of the French and illegal if we, as we will, demand visas for entrance to the UK.Scaremongering at its worst. Besides, if we do leave and people turn up in Dover quite obviously from France and - importantly - without the visa that will be necessary to be allowed to stand there in immigration - we just send them back. This policy already exists for airlines, you get sent back if you turn up without papers to the last country you were in. It just needs enforcing and the French will be duty bound to check visas before allowing passage to the UK.
     
  11. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Remember some migration is OK, e.g. all those non-EU nationals who come over here to steal....oops, clean our hospitals, nurse our sick and even teach our children. Why not remove the word migrant and say what the daily fail is too idiotic to say: benefit seekers.
     
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  12. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Not at all given the actual nature of the "treaty"
    It's not even a treaty in fact merely a tripartite group of protocols and not under the jurisdiction of the EU as it stands.
     
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  13. TheRomanReturn

    TheRomanReturn New commenter

    Why not remove the word migrant and say what the daily fail is too idiotic to say: benefit seekers.

    What a stunningly jejune comment.
     
  14. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    Isn't it bipartite (as between two countries?)

    You are ignoring the political aspects - as the former GB ambassador to France (whose job was, until a couple of months ago) to advise the GB government on plics in France, and how that is likely to change if X or Y happens. And his view was that it's only our continued EU membership that makes the French Government continue with this treaty - one that is very unpopular in France (esp. the north of France).
     
  15. aspensquiver_2

    aspensquiver_2 Senior commenter

    What has happened to you? Just how is it possible for someone to veer so wildly from the standpoint of tolerance and decency to this?
     
  16. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    I'd be careful..the Emperor Augustus extended the Roman citizenship to millions outside of Rome - you might want to rethink the avatar.....but nice to see you again! :)

    ps. nice use of a Latin derivation :D
     
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  17. aspensquiver_2

    aspensquiver_2 Senior commenter

    I agree with the post- ellipsis part.
     
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  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Jejune
    The worst word in the English language, jejune just bleeds pomposity and snobbery.
    by Lord Sebastian February 24, 2014
     
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  19. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    You know what I haven't seen for a while? A good migrant thread. Anyone know where I cound find one? Anyone?

    Also, Vlad, while I would describe myself as far from being a bleeding-heart liberal, if the only source of something is the Daily Mail, then it's very unlikely to be true.
     
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  20. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Did you see my attempt at sarcasm? :)
     
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