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Middle School Closure - Job in PRimary or Secondary? HELP!!

Discussion in 'Secondary' started by hobiecat, Apr 27, 2010.


  1. I am in a real dilemma! I currently work in a highly successful
    middle school which is due to be closed in 2013 due to LEA streamlining
    of the three tier system to the two tier system. I am in my 3rd year of
    teaching following a 10 yr period in Sales and Marketing. Currently, I
    specialise in Yr 5&6 English & Maths and as of September, will
    be Head of ICT teaching Y5-8.
    I have to decide pretty soon which
    direction I am going to take - Primary or Secondary. I am quite career
    minded and relatively ambitious and would like to climb the management
    ladder sooner rather than later. I am slightly anxious about being in a
    Primary School having to plan and teach a wide range of the curriculum;
    conversely, Secondary offers clearly 'larger' challenges virtually and
    literally!
    Has anyone taught both Primary & Secondary? If
    so, which provides better work-life balance and career prospects? Sorry
    to ramble, but in a real pickle!
     
  2. DM

    DM New commenter

    From my experience of the Suffolk reorganisation, most of your colleagues will move to Primary. Those that hang on until the last minute will not find jobs at all. I would advise you to move as soon as possible to give yourself the best possible chance of finding a decent position.
     
  3. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    Please don't go scaremongering staff DM, as Suffolk CC are in a total pickle in terms of their financial situation.
    Those middles actioned for closure in phase one may be completed, but above that even the LA have stated that they are waiting to see how much they will get from BSF etc.
    Already the third phase has been put back with some parts of it not yet scheduled for closure at all.
    I would recommend sitting tight at present - especially until after the election when....goodness knows what will come to pass!!
     
  4. DM

    DM New commenter

    Scaremongering? I believe I was offering informed advice. If you are a middle school leader and have a vested interest in retaining your staff for as long as possible, then you probably should declare it.
    Phase 3 is certainly on the backburner and is unlikely to happen anytime soon but we are full steam ahead for Phase 1 and Phase 2 - in fact Phase 1 was <u>significantly accelerated</u> last week as I'm sure you are aware if you work in Suffolk.


     
  5. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    Informed advice - such as get out now before you are made redundant!! Sorry - but if that isn't scaremongering - then I don't know what is. It is informed advice - based on what?
    Staff would well be advised to sit tight at least until after the election as I stated in order to see how things might pan out.
    I am fully aware of the 'significantly accelerated' process in parts of Phase 1 - but how the unions stood by and let this happen is beyond me!
    All middle schools should have a vested interest in retaining their staff shouldn't they? I would certainly want the best for the children in the school where I work - reorganisation or no reorganisation!!
     
  6. hobiecat, I sympathise as I'm a middle school teacher who moved into secondary - and have lived to regret it.
    If I had my time over again I'd make sure that whilst still in middle I taught in many other subject areas, to prepare me for primary. Unfortunately I didn't do this and although I do enjoy teaching my subject specialism to A level, I completely underestimated how bad the behaviour can be in secondary - and that's not just from the students! The competitiveness (verging on nastiness) between departmental staff still completely dumbfounds me; SLT seem to have an 'us and them' attitude towards staff; the cohesiveness of middle school just doesn't exist.
    My wonderful days in middle are but a dream now; the reality of secondary is my daily nightmare. Apart from the sixth-formers the vast majority of pupils think they are 'too cool for school'.
    I too used to dream of climbing the career ladder, though now I'd just settle for a school I'm happy to work in again. Best wishes and hope you have better luck than I have!
     
  7. Thanks for your frank opinion and sound advice! What about the option of Prep School vs Primary? This vaguely appeals as it's the same age range as Middle. I would be able to still specialise in Eng & Maths plus Y5-8 ICT and would probably get the opportunity to run lots of sport, another big interest of mine.
     
  8. Thanks for your frank opinion and sound advice! What about the option
    of Prep School vs Primary? This vaguely appeals as it's the same age
    range as Middle. I would be able to still specialise in Eng & Maths
    plus Y5-8 ICT and would probably get the opportunity to run lots of
    sport, another big interest of mine.
     
  9. DM

    DM New commenter

    Sorry, I don't think it would be wise to identify myself.
    The unions were not informed. The Chair of the Governors of one of the affected schools read about it in the local paper.
     
  10. DM

    DM New commenter

    You are aware that in Suffolk that middle school teachers CV are automatically submitted by the LEA for each suitable vacancy in the county and if the teacher declines an interview for a position three times, he or she forfeits their rights to redundancy pay?
    There are other serious issues but I better not discuss them as they are not in the public domain yet.
     
  11. DM

    DM New commenter

    I accept the children are your number one priority but you also have a responsibility to your staff. Deliberately attempting to mislead teachers for what you believe to be the greater good is disingenuous and irresponsible.
     
  12. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    I am aware of this - but it isn't a CV it is a skills audit.
    Unless you are a union rep on the County HR/Personnel SOR panel, then it is unlikely you know any more than the rest of us!
     
  13. DM

    DM New commenter

    We have received a large number of CVs from the local authority. None of the teachers concerned had applied for the jobs in question and all declined our invitations to interview. Three strikes and you are out.
     
  14. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    Who said anything about deliberately misleading - huge general assumption there DM - all staff at our school are kept totally abreast of all developments and training opportunities, so I would be grateful if you would keep your sweeping generalisations for your own staff and school, for whom I would assume you have better knowledge
     
  15. DM

    DM New commenter

    The people you are misleading do not work at your school.
     
  16. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    Aaaah! Now the veil is lifted ! You are not a middle school teacher or head - but someone from either a high or primary school!!
    Declare your hand then! I Dare you!
     
  17. DM

    DM New commenter

    High but if you want to talk further do it by private message please.
     
  18. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    Who am I misleading??
     
  19. DM

    DM New commenter

    PM only now please crezz.
     
  20. crezz1

    crezz1 New commenter

    How does one PM?
     

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