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MFL jobs - where are they all??? how many are suffering like me!

Discussion in 'Modern foreign languages' started by hattita, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. How many recent trainees are finding it hard to find jobs?? It is such a nightmare and I am beginning to despair...
  2. If you go onto the Jobseekers forum, that should give you a good idea about the current situation!
  3. henriette

    henriette New commenter

  4. I am afraid unless you are teaching the true modern languages Japanese and Chinese and not the old, outdated French and German ones, the death knell for langage teaching has been sounded. It is a case of over supply; there are too many teachers applying for the same, few jobs. Look at me: I applied for a Japanese language teaching post at a secondary school and guess how many came for an interview? One! Only I attended and so I go the job! It is the law of supply and demand.
  5. Hikochan,
    I don't find you really helpful.
    If you were struggling to find a job with your Japanese would you feel better if someone told you to go and change specialism?
    Especially when that's not an accurate fact?
    You sound a bit insensitive and let's face it downright obsessive;
    next you are going to ask your pupils to ignore the rest of the curriculum and focus on glorious Japanese. [​IMG]
  6. maa09

    maa09 New commenter

    I've posted this type of message before but I will post it again in case you have not seen it. I know personally of many, many schools and other institutions that simply cannot afford to advertise in the TES. At my school they advertise on Eteach instead. Also I really think that it is worth sending your CV and a good covering letter to any schools where you might want to work. Apologies if you have already done all of the above...
    I will also mention that at my school the female staff have gone mad for babies - we have five maternities starting between September & December (not MFL though), I'm not sure if this pattern is replicated across the country but I do know of other local schools which imminenetly need lots of maternity cover as well. Bearing in mind that a high proportion of MFL teachers are female - I say think positive !
  7. I am afraid it is the reality: Japanese and Chinese language is the future whether we like it or not. I do think children should be focusing on these languages in school and not the old (OMFL) ones. If my child was denied the opportunity to study these languages in school I would not be happy.
  8. Geekie

    Geekie Occasional commenter

    Oh *** hikochan. The lack of MFL jobs is not because the future is all Japanese and Chinese. There has been a lack of MFL jobs - in any language - for a good few years because the lovely government made them optional at KS4.

    I don't care what language my children study at school, as long as they study one. French would be the most useful as that is where we go on holiday and therefore the one they get the opportunity to use. Spanish would be equally useful. Latin would be infinitely more useful to them in their general education than either Chinese or Japanese.

    So, hikochan, can you please drop it, give it a rest, change the record, say something different......? It really is getting very dull and tedious, and, as the OP said, it's not at all helpful.
  9. Enjoy your new teaching post Hikochan. I'm sure your new colleagues in the MFL dept must think you're an absolute hoot!
  10. henriette

    henriette New commenter

    being the only applicant doesn't guarantee you the job, I',m afraid, in my school - we only employ committed GOOD teachers
  11. Hikochan
    What's wrong with you? You sound like a broken record.....
    BTW: it is NOT true that for German jobs, for example, there is over-supply. In fact, some schools can't fill positions (for instance a HoD position) because many people who apply are not good enough.
    If our students struggle to learn French to a decent level (for which the curriculum and the teaching engendered by it is to blame) how can they learn a language like Japanese that is "difficult" to non-native European speakers?
    Seriously, get real.
  12. I could write a contribution here, but I won't as I've said it before and Old Monorail will probably take me to task for being repetitive.
  13. noemie

    noemie Occasional commenter

    Lol Graham! [​IMG]
  14. Japanese is DIFFERENT to other languages. People who fail at French, for example, can succeed with Japanese.
  15. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    Is that somebody sulking on this thread? Nice to know I can still touch a nerve or two. [​IMG]
    Personally, I prefer Lorna Dolmio, but hey, whatever floats your boat, Cap'n Birdseye!

  16. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    This is one you'll have to prove, hikochan. All things being equal, I think, with a choice of Japanese instead of French, you'll start out with considerably more enthusiasm and interest from the children, what with anime and the mystique of those oriental symbols, amongst other things. The pupils are also more likely to start out with fewer preconceptions of the drudgery of language learning that they will have associated with French, due to what their parents and older siblings may have told them, but it won't take long for the reality to set in, that learning Japanese is going to require an awful ot of work. Many British pupils are lazy, unmotivated, undisciplined and pandered to, and they don't like having to do something that takes a lot of learning and memorisation. I believe, therefore, that you'll encounter the same aversion in the end, but its onset will just be delayed a little longer. That's not a reason not to teach Japanese, however.
  17. Japanese and Chinese will only ever work with literate, motivated students. Any language which operates with 4 alphabets is going to be a major ask for any student who is still having literacy issues with English.
    I have experienced this at first hand and know this is a major issue. Just think of the relative difficulties of using an English-French and an English-Japanese dictionary. I have encountered many Urdu learners with not the remotest notion how they could use an Urdu-English dictionary but quite skilled at using English-French. A large part of this is down to having to operate with not just a new script as in Urdu, but a whole other system for writing.
    Don't get me started on the lack of cognates (I know there are quite a lot of English and Portuguese derived words, but they are not readily recognisable). This was what I found was the greatest difficulty when I had a go at learning Japanese.
  18. londomolari

    londomolari New commenter

    Four alphabets? What on earth were you learning?
  19. Well if memory serves
    The chinese character equivalent
    The 2 modified versions of the chinese characters I cannot remember what they are called.
    We had a Japanese as a foreign language teacher recommended by the Japanese embassy, She was a gifted artist which was just as well.
    Were we taught the wrong thing then?
  20. I was taught that there are three syllabic systems, i.e.
    plus Romaji - i.e. the Romanised version of Japanese, mainly used by foreign learners of Japanese.
    I had a crack at learning Japanese a while back. Fascinating language, but it demands an enormous amount of effort to master it. French vocab is easier to acquire as there are so many cognates that native English speakers recognise - but also a few false friends like "éventuellement".
    Graham Davies

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