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Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by jweb2k, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. jweb2k

    jweb2k New commenter

    I know as much of the government's plan as anyone else. I'd wager if there's enough good ICT teachers in departments out there (and this board shows a great number here), the government should be more than happy with a ICT/Computer Science/Digital Literacy hybrid being on the curriculum, knowing it'll be enthusiatically well taught by experts. I was about to post earlier in the SoW thread that we all seem to have different specfic expertise in ICT - whether it's creating complex spreadsheets and databases, to web programming, to hardware or animation, but it's no different from the Art teacher with an expertise in small scale drawing, impressionism or large sculptures.
  2. Thank you for your response.

    I don't understand why so many think they'll lose their jobs when computing is such an important subject .

    Are people worried because some are non-specialist and are worried they won't keep up with the changes?
  3. BrianUK

    BrianUK New commenter

    Maybe the non-specialist could try the first unit of the udacity course to see how they get on with the concepts of programming. It's a solid start at least and has some serious credibility in terms of the presenters.
  4. jweb2k

    jweb2k New commenter

    It's from two angles as I see:
    1) Schools don't have to offer computing as a replacement for ICT - they could save money and get rid of both. Obviously the good ICT departments among us here would know that's a silly idea - but schools where the ICT department isn't successful with an engaging curriculum could easily be worried (and rightfully so, if you've not engaged them in ICT why should the heads believe you will in computing).
    2) Retraining required for the non-specialists in an area they're completely uncomfortable with. Some are fine with the "office applications" and to an extent "iMedia" side of ICT but struggle with databases, complex spreadsheets and will with programming. Also, unfortunately, some have never taken apart a PC, know what a graphics card looks like or understand what the windows registry does. At some point you'll be talking about these in computing.
  5. This doesnt make sense to me though...

    If Michael Gove wants to improve the teaching of computing in schools - How can he allow it not to be taught?

    Do you ever see ICT / Computing becoming compulsory again?

    Is this one of these things that changes every few years?

    I am from a computer science background - I can teach ICT and computing, I am experienced with computer hardware (teaching I-Pro etc) and programming...

    Think I might be safe or should I be exploring a second subject?
  6. like many people who read the headlines I was annoyed about Gove's pronouncements but having taken the trouble to read it and the other relevant documents I am far less concerned. Anyone who thinks Gove wants to get rid of ICT/Computing/callitwhatyouwill is barking up the wrong tree and has not read either the statement properly or any of the other documents relating to the issue.
    He is seeking to disapply the programme of study at KS2, 3,4 but states that he is not getting rid of the subject 'Under this proposal ICT would remain a compulsory subject within the National Curriculum, subject to the outcomes of the National Curriculum Review.'
    ICT remains a statutary entitlement for ALL students until at least summer 2014, and beyond that unless changes are made and approved.
    Oh, and even now nothing has changed except that his proposal is up for consultation (and YOU can still reply) so the PoS still applies at present, as does our need to report levels this year.
    The only thing that has changed so far is what qualifications will be counted in league tables from 2014 onwards. Oh, that and the attitude of many senior management teams who now want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg for them........ short sighted as ever! (Fortunately ours don't fall in to that category.)
    I might just post my ppt about the proposals and the other docs in the resources area - worth reading.
  7. djphillips1408

    djphillips1408 New commenter

    With all due respect APM the only person that appears to be on here with thread after thread questioning the state of ICT and the future is actually YOU. As GQ52 points out if you read what Gove actually said nothing really has changed and nothing is going to....
  8. Thanks for the 'due respect' and with all due respect returned I may be questioning the future (because I'm not sure what it holds) but I have not decided we're all out of a job like many people on this site.

    I just want to better understand the situation - What's wrong with that?

    Yes... I know... Noone knows... But whats wrong with asking what people think?

    There are numerous threads about ICT teachers facing redundancy and being out of work - I don't subscribe to this at all and I don't think we're all doomed but I would like to encourage discussion from the expert opinions on here because I believe if we analyse and rationalise we'll see that the future does hold much hope for us and perhaps we could spread some positivity about our subject.

    I'm sorry if my attempts to spread some positivity and to encourage some rational thinking weren't to your taste but I know many, many people are worried and I thought that perhaps the opinions from people like JanWebb, GQ52 and all the others might reassure some people (including me) and provide some easier sleep.
  9. djphillips1408

    djphillips1408 New commenter

    Sorry my posting was worded poorly. You need not worry there will be vacancies in the future, this point in year is always slow, the naysayers on here were around a hell of a lot more prior to Goves announcement and stirred so much sh1te on here that I bailed out for a couple of months from this forum. It was idiotic nonsense about how we were all doomed in ICT and guess what they were wrong
  10. Thanks djphillips - It sounded like we were gonna fall out there! I'm glad we didnt!

    Glad to see a bit of common sense is being spoken - And I'm glad I wasnt using the forums when there was more doom-mongers around!
  11. autismuk

    autismuk New commenter

    No-one knows, really.
    Some of the negative comment was because people were or were considering doing an ICT PGCE and the question of the medium term viability needs to be though about.

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