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Men missing from university

Discussion in 'Education news' started by David Getling, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Now that girls have much better educational opportunity it's hardly surprising that there are more of them going to university than boys. As a teacher and tutor, the reason is blindingly obvious. In general, girls work a lot harder than boys.

    Unlike the bleeding heart liberals in education, I'm not going to agonize over this; boys are getting what they richly deserve for their laziness. I myself could have got better grades both at school and university. The only person I blame for me not doing so is myself! Because like most boys and young men, I was lazy.
    Didactylos4 and ninenotes like this.
  2. Eureka!

    Eureka! Lead commenter

    Education has become more task based, and less about meaningful learning and skill acquisition.
    This is rather sad n'est-ce pas?
  3. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    And yet the pay gap remains as wide as ever.
  4. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Could also be they dont want to pay or afford the exhortation fees charged by uni's
    Many young men realise there is other ways into big bucks other than via uni,and if you go to further ed colleges there used to be huge numbers studying there.usually because they live at home,can work and yet study.or any combination of the 3.
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    As a bleeding heart liberal [what are the entry qualifications?] I agree entirely... I was bone a**** lazy in school at A-Level... and I still did OK.

    Not sure where it is that modern male youth has gone wrong...
  6. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    On the other hand i didnt get the chance to do A or O level as I was a secondary mod person....but i studied all my life till of late..... so I didn't sit O and A levels till 15 years later..then passed them all in 2 years to go on a teacher training course,and via self study and night school..
    The only reason I don't study now is because the goverment changed the focus of learning to young folk and so withdrew cheaper courses for oldies.
    Its a wide sweep to say all are lazy.. but for men the need for qualifications is seen when on the job rather than because the powers that be see them as an important standard qualification.
  7. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    I think the "bleeding heart liberal" question is why boys seem to be less hard working. That's more interesting and seems to be linked to the different ways in which boys and girls and socialised. There's a fair amount of research that says that from a very young age different behaviours are praised or condoned for boys and girls, and what we see in older children stems from that. I speak of course, as yet another fairly lazy boy who still did ok.
  8. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    Please tell me you are an office employee and not a teacher.
    aspensquiver likes this.
  9. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    Please explain why you think an office employee was lazy as a younger person whereas teachers were not. :confused:

    Incidently I do not accept young men are lazy. Many work hard in tinkering with cars/motorcycles, playing sport and chasing the local crumpet.
  10. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    You have misinterpreted. I would not be worried if an office employee used such unacceptable generalisations, but if a teacher used them one has to question their competence.
  11. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Actually one doesn't
    But if you choose to do so you should expect some "feedback"
  12. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    So you'd be happy for a teacher to have such ideas? It is a requirement for school leaders to monitor their staff, and therefore in an education forum 'one should' question the competence of the writer.
    If this were a non educational article, then your irrelevance could become relevant.
    aspensquiver likes this.
  13. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    Indeed I did, I thought that you were implying office employees were somehow less able then teachers and ended up as an office employee because of this. I have several friends who do work in an office environment who are very intelligent and would take exception to this.

    I do believe in my comment about young men not being lazy, although I was rather flippant in my choice of words. To put my thoughts in a more mature way I believe (and based on my experiences both recent and long ago) that many young males are very ambitious and put a lot of effort in achieving goals they have set themselves. Its just that these goals are not always academic and could be something like: to play sport or a musical instrument at a high level, learn a trade, set up a business or progress in a career.
  14. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    There is nothing inherently lazy about any student, although some students are restrained so much as to give in at an early age.

    I'd argue that the discrimination faced by white working class boys, under the discriminatory oxymoron 'positive discrimination' has a part to play in the under performance of this demographic. Therefore such abhorrent prejudice from the OP will only count towards the anti-white working class prejudice that is so common in the UK, and ultimately leads to a political extremism seen is the short lived rise of the BNP in Blackburn and Oldham where the prejudice was amongst the worse. Just as the old 'blacks are lazy' prejudice was rightly challenged in the last century, we must attack the idiocy shown by prejudicial writers such as David whateverhisnameis (can't be bothered to track up to check his full name)
    Under performing students should be assisted without mention or reference to their racial origin, religion or home status. Rant over.
  15. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    One gathers then that you are a "school leader" ?
    You can of course question all you like but doubting the competence of a writer who merely used a short-hand term rather than a three page essay to describe a common enough syndrome makes me doubt your competence.
    Not as a teacher or even as a "school leader" but as a writer
  16. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    childish comeback, but hey.
  17. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    You may of course think so but your choice not to respond tells me all that I need to know
    monicabilongame likes this.
  18. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    To give some perspective, I work in IBO schools, where critical thinking is encouraged. Lazy arguments about lazy boys shows a disregard for the position the white working class boys find themselves. I wouldn't want that kind of teacher in my school teaching an IB class.
    I also sense an element of 1970s attitudes in the poster, almost an aggressive spiteful tone towards the females who have bloomed; he was probably born in the late 1950s or early 60s. I am prepared to be shown to be wrong, but if I were to psycho-analyse David from the little information I have, I'd bet money he has had problems keeping a job down and probably lives on the periphery of education: either occasional supply teaching, or worse a private tutor. Is David his real name?
    No, I'm not with the FBI, and I'm not a professional profiler.
    1982john likes this.
  19. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    And you are giving one heck of an example of your skills in that area
  20. FreeSpeaker

    FreeSpeaker Occasional commenter

    You mean I'm not following the sheepish tendency I'm reading in this and other threads I've been following today?

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