# Measurement ... counting problems

Discussion in 'Early Years' started by lovecats10, Jan 25, 2016.

1. ### lovecats10New commenter

Hi everyone,

We've just started thinking about measurement (length and height). We have begun with non standard measurement where we are using handprints we made and cut out to measure the height of children and length of objects. The only problem is that some of our LAs are really struggling to use these to measure because they can't count in sequence past 5 and some of them need a lot of support to even do this! (these children are in Reception and receiving maths intervention sessions but this is not going to resolve itself in the next few weeks as they have been working on it for months!)) In a small group this is possible to support these children but in our larger class sessions (split into 2 groups of 15) it is much trickier. We will be using other non standard measures such as fruit and unifix cubes but again the issue will be counting objects past 5. I know we can just do smaller objects but does anyone have any ideas how to support these children in this concept? Thank you!

2. ### Lara mfl 05Star commenter

Not Early years specialist, but first idea which springs to my mind, if you need to work with measurements past 5 up to 10 is to 'pair the children up' and have the teacher 'prompt' the sequencing of numbers encouraging the children 'to count along with them'.

3. ### grumbleweedStar commenter

I think it's worth bearing in mind that measuring with non standard measures is in ks1 and not EYFS. The EYFS focuses on comparing and correct use of language long, longer longest etc. It isn't in the ELG for shape space and measure to use non standard measures. I would therfore not be worrying about the need to be able to count above 5 for measurement purpose because children can still demonstrate their use of correct language and make comparisons without needing to be able to count. Thus children can still meet this ELG even if they aren't yet meeting the number one.

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4. ### greenbNew commenter

Hi, we recently did similar with our yrRs (the LAs are probably similar level to yours)
As grumbleweed says, the language is more important so just had lots of different length planks, branches etc that they could order by length and build that vocabulary first. Interestingly, some of our LA children are really strong in this area, and some HA chn less secure.
We did start to use non-standard measurements as an extension to learning; outdoors we had giant lego blocks and those foam square number tile things - these were good for introducing low-number measurement.
5 of those foam tiles are quite long
Let us know how you get on, good luck, have fun!

5. ### lovecats10New commenter

Hey everyone, thank you so much for your replies! They have been most helpful! Thank you for clarifying what they need to be doing and also for some great outdoor ideas - I'll incorporate it in my planning hadn't even thought of using the giant foam blocks or waffle blocks Thank you! I love this website - so many helpful people!