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Meanwhile, in France...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    I wouldn't presume to lecture you on something you know more about than I. All I know is the working class in France are not happy with the way things are and they are doing something about it.

    I have great admiration for them. Hopefully the British will show such backbone when they are denied Brexit.
    Sir_Henry likes this.
  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Interesting argument...

    Not disagreeing as such but... I don't see this courtesy extended to artboyusa... time and again people tell him he's wrong about Trump... even though he's American...

    And does it work the other way around? Would it be OK for someone to say to you ''ah you don't understand Brexit, you're not British''?
    artboyusa and Sir_Henry like this.
  3. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    Quite. Some of the ignorance demonstrated by these posters on the US shutdown thread is quite staggering.
  4. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    However,I would think that being directly affected by Brexit qualifies me to comment.
  5. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    I'm all for direct protest and the French are indeed very good at it.

    However,les Gilets Jaunes are scary to me because their lists of grievances are a mish-mash of rather impossibly contradictory demands. Less income tax (never more than 25%) but more public spending is a good instance. Item 16 does not even sound French to me but very American:that the State would not interfere in matters of health,education,health and family. I have visions of the type of men who live in the back of nowhere with a few "wives" and a whole bunch of kids who are all home educated and have never been vaccinated.
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  6. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    I see the Macron regime is using helicopters to gas its citizens.

    Not that MSM finds this newsworthy.
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  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So the protests are now regrouping and their numbers growing... 50,000 reported on the 5th and 86,000 reported by government estimates by the 12th. And the State is matching them with 80,000 security personnel out... probably to protect those vital speed cameras [privatised and used by a company to bring in revenue and profit of course].

    Meanwhile the police are now armed with semi-automatic weapons.


    Because that's how to police demonstrations. [scripted response: urgh it's the Daily Mail, fascist!]

    Politicians are calling for live ammunition to be used.


    That's the former education minister under Chirac. Because gunning down protestors would be a great way to defuse the situation [scripted response: urgh the Murdock press!]

    And you've got the use of flash-balls by the State...


    Flash-balls are a semi-rigid rubber bullet capable of killing or causing disability... and in December the State order 1200 more of them... France is the only country in the EU where they're legal btw.

    Here's a video of French police beating an elderly woman...



    That account is one well worth following... I read he'd tweeted nearly 300 cases of police brutality so far...

    This account has video of helicopters being used to fire tear gas into crowds.



    This is deeply disturbing. And yet it goes largely unreported by UK mainstream media, obsessed as they are with shennanigans in the Westminster bubble.
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  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Shocking isn't it... and yet silence follows...
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  9. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Always good to know the government is watching over you...
  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Well, they aren't going away anytime soon.

    Macron must give.
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  11. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    Must give what?
  12. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    His resignation would be a start.
  13. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  14. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Amnesty was complaining about police brutality weeks ago...
    Usage excessif de la force lors des manifestations des "gilets jaunes"
    Publié le 16.12.2018.

    Les forces de l’ordre ont utilisé des flashball, des grenades de désencerclement et des gaz lacrymogènes contre des manifestants majoritairement pacifiques. Nous avons pu recenser de nombreux cas de recours excessifs à la force par des policiers.
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

  16. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Firefighters out protesting...

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  17. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    French government has engaged in numerous breaches of human rights... they need to be held to account. But EU is more interested in penalising the Visegrad group than the actual abusive government.

  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Firefighters vs. police
  20. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    France 24 was interesting yesterday. 9AM News. Lead items: Congo elections, Trump, something else.
    Not a word about the GJs. Government strategy now clear. Beat down the protests. Smother the story. It won't work.
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