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Maths Sats 2016 what do you think ?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by Rednorfolk, May 12, 2016.

  1. Rednorfolk

    Rednorfolk New commenter

    [Please take care NOT to give details of the content of the papers]
     
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  2. Rednorfolk

    Rednorfolk New commenter

    Sorry I misspelt where instead of were... point it out before the english police make comments
     
  3. Benbamboo

    Benbamboo Occasional commenter

    The second reasoning test was much easier than the first. There were some curriculum areas not covered but I didn't think they were major areas.

    Over the two tests I thought there was balance, and plenty of scope in the first test especially for brighter children to strut their stuff.
     
  4. cassandramark2

    cassandramark2 Established commenter

    My HA set made it absolutely clear, after the final test, that they felt insulted by the lack of challenge and they referred to several questions (which of course I can't discuss here), asking why these had been made so easy when they had spent the year working at a far higher level, given the emphasis upon mastery or deeper understanding.

    I was expecting at least a few questions which would have been roughly equivalent to the old Level 6 but, to be frank, there were few which seemed to equate to the old Level 5.
     
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  5. E04076070

    E04076070 New commenter

    Didn't think it was too bad but I wouldn't go as far to say that there were few questions relating to level 5.

    The majority of the questions were level 4 equivalent with a chunk of them level 5 with some even reaching level 6.
     
  6. Gillimarie

    Gillimarie New commenter

    Oh well ours didn't find it easy at all. They struggled with today's paper. Especially the less secure children. So not sure how it is going to look. A lot of what they were more secure in didn't come up. They had to absorb so much new content over the year their little brains couldn't hold it all in. But if others found it easy that's great. Last year our more able could have done it but we had different children this year. They worked extremely hard and I am proud of them anyway. Fantastic progress over the year and I could hug every one of them.
     
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  7. D1p5t1ck

    D1p5t1ck New commenter

    I think your post treads a fine line between snobbery and ignoring those children who find mathematical concepts challenging.
    More able children will have found the maths tests fair and on the whole relatively easy to access.However, other children struggled with the reasoning due to questions designed to catch them out and the wording of 3 mark questions.I teach a small group who have made tremendous progress in arithmetic but find the worded element of reasoning papers often baffling.
    Please take your head out of the clouds and realise that we do not live in a world where everything comes easy to everyone
     
  8. D1p5t1ck

    D1p5t1ck New commenter

    Good on ya!!!
    If only they measured stickability and resilience
     
  9. cassandramark2

    cassandramark2 Established commenter

    If you had bothered to read my comments, I referred to my HA set and THAT was the basis of my post. The other children in my school who DO struggle with even the most basic concepts, found many questions challenging but, overall, they too found the tests less challenging than expected.

    I have taught every conceivable level of ability in maths and my own daughters found the subject difficult.

    Before you get the knife out, take care to read before you type!!
     
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  10. kjm50

    kjm50 New commenter

    I agree. The questions were fine for LA and MA pupils but there was plenty of scope to challenge MA pupils who finished the test within half the time.
     
  11. Rednorfolk

    Rednorfolk New commenter

    Well said, Cassandramark2. What is the point of teaching mastery when its not tested ? God I miss the level 6 paper ! As usual the top 10% or so are not catered for in the english education system. It seems the government want all children to achieve the old level 4 in maths, and forget the ones who are working at a much higher level.
     
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  12. Milgod

    Milgod Established commenter

    The reasoning papers were definitely harder than previous years. Anyone who says different is bonkers.

    Let your class have a look at the paper from last year next week and see what they think of it.

    These tests are fine for the HA, but the LA struggle a lot more than they would have previously.
     
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  13. johndeere

    johndeere New commenter

    Thank you gilmarie - your honest post has made me feel slightly better about our own experience which closely matches yours, even down to the hug and the progress!
     
  14. teachingspurs

    teachingspurs New commenter

    There were tears in my extra time room. A lot of EAL's who really struggled. At the other end, we had kids who smashed it. The last question on today's paper being one mark though... really?!
     
  15. Rednorfolk

    Rednorfolk New commenter

    the last question was simple, my school is 50% EAL with less than one year in this country and they are way ahead of all my uk born kids, especially ones from eastern europe
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  16. Cervinia

    Cervinia Occasional commenter

    Hmmm... Some gifted EAL children join your school/class, who are way ahead of all your UK born kids. Does this make you question your own teaching?
     
  17. cassandramark2

    cassandramark2 Established commenter

    To be honest, I thought the final question would have previously earned 2 marks as it would have been tricky for some children to explain their reasoning.

    As for EAL pupils, I thought that recently arrived children can be withdrawn from testing if necessary. Obviously, the ones in question were a godsend;).
     
  18. Abbey88

    Abbey88 New commenter

    I found this test mixed. It was slightly easier than I had expected, especially after the horror of the reading test, but my less able did struggle with the way some of the reasoning questions were worded.
    Well done to everyone regardless. I think we should spend more time congratulating each other and sticking together, than belittling one another's teaching.
     
  19. bramallblade

    bramallblade New commenter

    Well bully for those who had children fly through it. That's great. My kids were fairly typical I imagine. HA did really well and the MA have (hopefully) done enough. My LA are always a bit of a mixed bag. Some surprise me every year and others just barely cope.

    Overall I thought:

    Arithmetic: As expected
    Reasoning (2): Tough
    Reasoning (3): Easier than expected
     
  20. bramallblade

    bramallblade New commenter

    I do not miss the L6 paper. It was an absolute nightmare. Parents constantly questioning why their little darlings weren't doing it and others were. Nightmare. Glad it's gone and I NEVER want to see it return.
     

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