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Maths co-ordinator without TLR?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by L_E1984, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. L_E1984

    L_E1984 New commenter


    My husband is a ks2 teacher on M6 of the main pay scale. He has just been told that he is being made maths co-ordinator next year, but there has been no mention of TLR. Is this common? I was always under the impression that literacy and maths co-ordinator roles are usually TLR - at least they have been in all the schools I have worked in. What would you do? Advice please!
  2. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    If he's just the co-ordinator then there's no TLR...well not for most schools,and in my experience.
    If you are the maths 'leader' AND leading a teaching and learning 'whole school change' then there might be a TLR.
    But that's just in my experience. Others might have different experiences.
  3. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Often in a Primary School one takes on 'co-ordinator' of a subject for a couple of years and then moves on to another subject. rarely is the 'co-ordinatore' role linked to one's speciality and often was not given extra-remuneration. In today's world where Schools are even more strapped for cash i would imagine that would become even more common.Unfortunately for your husband.
  4. Mrs_Hamilton

    Mrs_Hamilton Occasional commenter

    And my advice would depend on if he wants the role or not, and how approachable the SLT are.
    If approachable and I wasn't overly keen on the role I'd have a word and say I'm not confident to manage maths across the school. If it really is leading a whole school initiative and I want to take on the role I'd query a TLR.
  5. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Depends what the role entails.
    None of the primary school maths co-ords I've worked with would have merited a TLR.
    Those in the secondary and middle schools earlier in my career would have done, but not those in the primaries.
    Mind you some had them and some not. Some complained and some not.

    Similarly in the independent preps, none have really merited a TLR, though some have complained about not getting 'something extra' for leading a core subject.

    Actually it would be the same argument for English/Literacy leaders.
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  6. grumbleweed

    grumbleweed Star commenter

    I got one in my second year of coordinating maths, mainly because I was a maths specialist and our SATS at the time put us at the very bottom of the league tables for our LA. There was a lot to do! So much so that I was eventually pulled out of class (I was part time) to just support maths, sadly a job I then hated! So my push for the TLR backfired on me as it took me away from the nursery class I loved working in.
    Don't expect many schools would have a non class based maths coordinator nowadays but we were in special measures at the time!
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  7. amelia765

    amelia765 New commenter

    I have not known a core subject leader carry out their role without a TLR. I am maths co ordinator and have always been paid extra for this role. No harm in asking. I would definitely suggest Adkin for one after a term if the impact is good.
  8. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    All of our non-LPS maths leads receive a TLR. Depends on the scale of the role and the school though...
  9. mbee1

    mbee1 Occasional commenter

    We're a 420 primary and no one gets a TLR at all. In fact, they're prohibited in our Pay Policy except for TLR3's and we don't have any of them at the moment. Our KS leads are on the Leadership scale.
    Mrs_Hamilton and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  10. ashlaura

    ashlaura Occasional commenter

  11. michelle99

    michelle99 New commenter

    Unfortunately this is quite normal. I am the literacy coordinator and I am classed as a 'middle leader' but I have no TLR and am on the main pay scale. I have led numerous INSETS and school improvement initiatives over the years and I have to monitor attainment, progression and impact of interventions throughout the school. None of the coordinators at our school have TLRs. The head expects all the teachers to take on a coordinator role and says it is part of the the teachers standards (section 8). I think this is common practice and the current financial state of schools is unlikely to mean a change anytime soon. x

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