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Marking work on day to day

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by nikkisab, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. I received a letter from my agency for the new term with some polite reminders of what I am supposed to be doing in schools (because those 6+ weeks made me forget basic etiquette clearly) but one thing I noticed was that it said I should mark all work set for the class. After initial consideration I presumed this meant for long term bookings but I've now seen a couple of people on here say something about marking work before they leave for the day.
    I've never marked work on day to day, although I was very conscientious about it if I was doing a week or more at the same school. I mean, the logistics can often be difficult to do it - one school I'm in I could be in three different buildings on site and then across town to the second campus for the remainder of the day. I would find it impossible in that situation to do all the marking. Doors get locked at break and lunch, so no chance to do anything then. The classroom you're using may be used by 4 different teachers in one day so you're shooed out immediately after the lesson and then the work set gets buried under a massive file of god knows what. I know there are also times when you can be in the same class for the same teacher but surely there's no consistency to advising work gets marked after every lesson. For one, every school has a different mark policy, so how can you know whether you're doing the right thing.
    I suppose it's possible I've had a rant over nothing and misunderstood the situation but I'd be interested to know if I haven't and if people are managing to mark on day to day, as clearly I will have to modify my approach.
     
  2. As you write, marking in that situation isn't very practical, but you might be able to do some after school? I think you should just confirm with the school what they expect and inform the agency of what has been agreed at school. Sounds like secondary-much easier in primary, except sometimes there is just too much to do, ie Y6 writing plus all the rest of the day's lessons, or when recorded assessment is required. The schools are usually fair and tell you what or how much they expect.
     
  3. On my signing off form for the agency I have to sign to say that every piece of work has been marked. So, yes, it is an expectation and I have never questioned it. As a full time teacher I used to find it very annoying to come back to unmarked work.
    I work in primary though so have the same room all day.
     
  4. Is it different for Primary and Secondary? In the secondary school I did supply in last week the students took their exercise books home to do homework in so I did no marking.

    Wouldn't it be a bit strange giving targets to children you do not know?
     
  5. I'm secondary and no way will I mark even on long term. They want me to mark they put me on contract for long term and pay for half and full term breaks. If not I do not mark or assess or write reports or meet parents.
    The school has no commitment to me, (can have the cover finished without notice), I have no commitment to the school...Just the kids
     
  6. I think there is definitely an expectation of marking on longer term work. Isn't this one of the things which sets us apart as being hired for being a 'teacher'?
     
  7. lapinrose

    lapinrose Lead commenter

    I'm secondary and have never marked work when on day to day, long term is different, then you are expected to set the work and mark it.
     
  8. When I did long term work (a term), I did everything a contracted teacher would do including planning, assessing, parents' evenings, reports, residential trip, everything. All for no extra pay. All for a fraction of what I'd have got if I had been on contract.
     
  9. It is likely to be generic letter but as primary I Mark what I can. I was told by agency I should stay til 4 to finish up marking and making notes and feedback. I try to nark morning work at lunch then get home quicker as some work just doesn't get marked. I usually leave feedback explaining. I am also in the habit of wandering round and marking a bit on the go if it's possible. You could ask the kids to self Mark or self asses. Some pre booked work left tells me not to bother marking. I guess it just depends on the work left.
     
  10. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Like cliveceltic I try to 'mark' during a lesson, get children to self/peer mark if possible (easier in maths- type subjects with right/wrong answer), but one of my best ways of marking is with either s stamper or children to draw red/amber.green traffic light to show how well they think they've done or smiley/straight/ sad face and then I initial the work to show I've seen it.
    It is <u>very</u> difficult to mark work for children one doesn't know- sometimes if there's a TA I've asked how the work compares with their usual standard as it can look appalling, but for that particular child be a really good effort and deserves rewarding appropriately.
    Long term I do everything a normal teacher does.
     
  11. madenglishgirl

    madenglishgirl New commenter

    I don't quite know what to say! It's attitudes like that that give STs a bad name...
    I have never know a day to day ST marking work (Secondary), but it's a given on long-term supply. Your daily suppy rate reflects the fact that you cannot eaarn during the school holidays and I'm also led to believe that you accrue holiday pay? At least that is according to my ex-husband who's a ST.
     
  12. Holiday pay? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Daily rate reflects we can not earn during the holidays? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

     
  13. Yes, it's correct that supply teachers are paid "more" per day as they only get paid when they work, and cannot work during school holidays. You know what I mean, even though agency pay rates are below what you SHOULD get if you work through an LEA.
    And yes, you do get holiday pay. However, the agency takes a percentage of your daily pay and that accrues until the Christmas/Easter/Summer holidays, which is when it gets paid.
     
  14. Erm I've already provided the evidence in another post I made that dispels this myth we get paid more. The average wage for a teacher is &pound;32,000 so &pound;615 per week, week in week out for 52 weeks per year. My agency pays &pound;110 per day which includes my holiday pay. I can only earn that in term time so approximately 38 weeks per year. Maximum theoretical wage is &pound;20,900 per year. In reality you cannot earn this though as it's impossible to work everyday. I didn't earn enough to pay tax on this financial year. That is the norm. I find it pretty insulting that you come on here and talk absolute rubbish. Where is your evidence to back up your claims? I have given you mine to back up my claim. I sometimes wonder why I bother as some people seem pretty dense on here and just use heresay and conjecture to back up their wild ideas about supply. I have done it for 11 years. I know what I'm talking about, do you?
     
  15. Primary - I mark, I'm expected to mark, and when I've been a class teacher off sick with the class covered by a real bad apple in the barrel of supply teachers - the mountain of unmarked mess I came back to was just the icing on the cake and nearly drove me back off sick again.
    You can't mark as closely as the regular teacher - that's a given, but I do a quick flick back in a couple of books to get the general style of the teacher's marking - do they just write objective achieved/do they respond to the actual content of the writing with a "so did you enjoy your trip to the supermarket at the weekend" type comment/is it a tick+well done type deal and I try to mark similarly in whatever colour pen they have tended to use (unless it's a teacher like I used to be where I'd mark in whatever colour took my fancy that day). You can't mark closely to targets or similar because you don't know the individual child - if I get someone I suspect has slacked off for the day - I'll flick back and see how the work compares and I DO comment (where appropriate) on feedback or in the book if the teacher tends to do that themselves that "I think you could have got more work done in the time you had today."
    I guess I view it that I'm there to slot in where the absent teacher would - if that's yard duty or if that's marking the work - that's part of what I'm there for and I take pride in doing what I do well. I don't see the joy in doing a rubbish job.
    I mark through lunch, and through breaktimes so generally only have the afternoon's work to clear at hometime which doesn't normally take too long anyway - because I found if I stayed late the office staff had all gone and finding someone to sign timesheets was a nightmare!
     
  16. OK, I'll rise to your challenge. Yes, I do know what I'm talking about.
    I should have been clearer - to an outsider it seems like we get paid a lot for a days work, when in reality it is not as much as someone on contract with the same experience, if you work through an agency. If you work through an LA supply list you will get more per day, and if you work every day of the school year you will get the same as a contracted teacher.
    Now I'll correct your figures. If you work for a whole academic year through YOUR agency you would come out with &pound;21,450 (110 x 195). However that is if you work every day.
    You see what I'm saying, I'm basing my assumptions on WORKING EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
    I'm not dense. I know in reality that it's rarer than hens teeth for a supply teacher to work every day of they academic year (although I've done it twice). So yes, your wages will be less than that of a contract teacher because you only get paid when you work and you are not working every day of the year.
    If I worked every day of this academic year through my agency I would take home over &pound;25,000. OK, less than what I should be on (I'm on M5), but better than having your limbs cut off with a rusty spoon. However, I know I won't be earning that because we are into the second week and I've not had any work yet.
    Ya get me?
     
  17. Ok so it would seem...primary yes, secondary no. I am secondary so I suppose this does not apply to me.
    I interpreted emma's post as concerning being paid "more" than cover supervisors than actual teachers. I suppose I could be wrong. Also, from reading emma's other posts I presume like me she is on the bottom rung of MPS and is probably talking more from her own experience, in which case the &pound;32,000 wage you quote is nowhere near what we can expect and . I don't think there's any need for rudeness. However, the "holiday pay" I received was pretty inadequate to last 6 weeks, especially considering we're now two weeks into term and I've had no work yet.
     
  18. bigpig

    bigpig New commenter

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but.... I thought we only get 4 weeks of holiday pay. That's how it worked as a TA, 38 weeks + 4 weeks divided by 12 for a monthly wage. Obviously teaching is slightly different, but they are not going to give you 6 weeks of 'holiday pay' as a supply teacher (13 weeks if you add all the other holidays). Most of my agencies don't even give me any, one agency (LA) I just have it in my daily rate of pay, my other they add a small amount per day which I get when I get paid. I won't get paid anything from my LA at the end of Sept as I didn't work in August.

    Back to the original topic of this thread......... As primary, I always try to mark work, it may just be a quick look through and a tick with a short comment (great try, good work etc.) but if I was a class teacher and came back to find that work hadn't been marked I wouldn't be happy. With regards to secondary, I supose it varies on the subject and work done. When I was at school, we often took our books home and they were rarely marked. Peer/self marking is probably a good option and you can say in your hand over notes 'work marked by children'.
     
  19. Yes, back the original topic. I'm secondary and have only marked work as a daily supply when in my specialist subject or in a maths lesson where the answers were left and the kids marked them. I would never try to mark anything that was some sort of assessment, but then if it was important then I wouldn't set it as cover work either.
    On long term supply I did everything a contract teacher did, but I negotiated extra pay from my agency. It was only an extra &pound;10 a day but made a big difference, as I was only on &pound;95 a day at the time.
    In terms of holiday pay, my agency paid weekly and took a percentage of each days pay. They paid a week in hand and got the accrued holiday pay during the longer holidays - eg, end of first week of Christmas hols, get previous weeks pay, end of second week, get holiday pay. I didn't get paid every week of the holidays! (I wish)
    When on LA supply I got paid monthly, so got paid for July work in August and nothing in September.
     
  20. helenemdee

    helenemdee New commenter

    I always try my best to mark the work I've done with the kids. I'm primary so that makes it easier because I'm usually in the same room all day. Like a previous poster, I tend to flick back to earlier marking in the kids' books and try to mark in the style of the regular teacher. I work for 3 different agencies and all have told me I should mark work, one agency's handover sheet also has a box to tick for "work marked" and I like to be able to tick it... however, if I know I have to rush off at the end of the day (I have an evening job too) I try to use self/peer marking where possible. Then I can just initial the work to show I've seen it.
     

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