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Mark Field's actions. Appropriate or not?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

  2. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    He thought she was armed!!!!

    Yeah, you could clearly see the whole event had very much the atmosphere of a Detroit drug-den during a tense exchange. Anyone would be terrified!
     
  3. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Assault, but he will get away with it of course.
     
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  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The protestor had broken into a private event. I think I would probably have done the same if she had tried to break into my house.

    Quite why there seemed to be no security at the event, though, is strange.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2019
  5. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    The degree of aggression used against the woman was quite shocking. It immediately made me wonder if he might be accustomed to throwing his weight around where women are concerned. It seemed to come very easily to him.
     
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  6. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    Heavy handed. Nobody died. He has apologised. Police investigating.
    (Normally only minimum wage security operators are allowed to do this).
     
  7. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Only to those determined to be shocked. She was obviously not hurt. If you choose to break into someone's house uninvited, the least you can expect is to be firmly escorted from the premises.
     
  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    When John Prescott was 'egged' by a protester, he punched him... And I don't think one can blame him (nor would I have blamed Farage if he'd done the same when 'milkshaked'!) Protesting comes with risks...
     
  9. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    I can assure you that my husband and I were not “determined to be shocked” as we viewed the incident on News At Ten last night - our reaction was quite spontaneous. Quite how you are in a position to determine other people’s level of “shockedness” I don’t know.
     
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  10. ROSIEGIRL

    ROSIEGIRL Senior commenter

    It seemed to be an overreaction.

    I take the point that she was a protester and shouldn't have been there (though 'broken in' seems to overstate the case) but he does seem to have reacted instantly with physical violence.

    Jess Phillips MP has pointed out that she - and indeed most MPs - are frequently confronted by angry people and the usual reaction is to talk, rather than be aggressive. Mark Field's first reaction was violence. The look on his face is not one of leaping to deal with a dangerous situation, more one of anger.

    I do wonder if he'd have done the same if it was a burly 6 foot bloke?

    (If he's charged with assault, in the interests of fairness, she should probably be charged with trespass or whatever is appropriate?)
     
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  11. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Occasional commenter

    To see a man manhandle a woman in this way is grotesque. He should be sacked.

    If the Greenpeace activist was a Frank Bruno lookalike the coward would have remained seated. As would you.
     
  12. foroff2233

    foroff2233 New commenter

    No, Frank. Assault comes with risks. I think protest is still allowed.
     
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  13. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Mark Field's actions. Appropriate or not? Nae be daft, lad. If I had a mildly disruptive female pupil in my classroom, would I be justified in grabbing her by the scruff of the neck and frog-marching her out of my classroom? Do you think my Headteacher would endorse and approve of my conduct? If it were your own daughter, would you approve of the teacher's conduct? It's a no on every count, I'm afraid. Grabbing hold of someone and using force against them having lost your own temper puts you in the wrong, and Mark Field needs to face consequences, and accept that a weaselly apology in itself is insufficient.
     
  14. Crowbob

    Crowbob Senior commenter

    But she didn't break into his house, did she? The motivation of those who break into houses is normally different to those who wish to make a point at a private event held by those with public power. I don't know how I would react in such a situation to someone passing me by but I would very much hope not in that way. I think an attempt to discuss should have been made.

    The closest I have come to this was when I was a speaker at a public event. Someone tried to protest (not against what I was saying or the theme of the public event) about a worthy cause. There was a look of shocked horror on the volunteer stewards faces and an attempt was made to block them and shepherd them away. I stopped what I was saying and invited the protester to the stage. I spoke with them off stage and said that I was happy for them to address the audience in order to make their point in a dignified (and concise) way but, if I afforded them that courtesy, only if they agreed to leave afterwards. Everybody was quite happy - they got to make their point, the audience got a break from me and I was able to feel I wasn't part of an event that stifled free speech. They made their point but didn't leave, instead they sat respectfully through the rest of the discussion and joined us at the drinks reception afterwards.

    In today's society we should be willing to listen to what others have to say. We should de-escalate as much as we can.
     
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  15. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    That was Mark Field's house?
     
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  16. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    If he’d have just grabbed her upper arms it might have been reasonable. It was the grabbing of the scruff of her neck (and yes, he looked as though he’d done that before) that I felt was unreasonable. Acting instinctively? That wouldn’t pass muster if any of us did that to an adult or child in school.
     
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  17. ROSIEGIRL

    ROSIEGIRL Senior commenter

    Just watched the video again, on the Guardian website - a slightly longer version.

    What's with the slow hand clapping afterwards?
     
  18. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Do you think it would be acceptable to behave in that way if she were a man?
     
  19. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    More's the pity.
     
  20. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Clearly not everyone will talk someone down like the opening scene of bodyguard.
     
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  21. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Interesting analogy, how about if that disruptive pupil waltzed into your wedding or that of your children, a private/invitation only event? Do they get an invitation to speak at the top table?

    Now I'm all in favour of lobbying but this was borderline inappropriate behaviour in terms of protesting at such events and it plays on people's support of the issue to excuse the behaviour.

    I too wonder where security was, you'd think it would have filtered her at the front door. Having recently watched a documentary about the Terrorist bombing of the Tory party conference in Brighton as well as news about other terror events in the UK I'd say if your actions put you as risk you can hardly complain about the consequences, in her case clearly that's the nature of protest and as a consequence she's getting much more coverage than just bumbling into a dinner party, he's done the cause a favour by allowing the action to be news.
     
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