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lots of questions! can anyone help?

Discussion in 'Social sciences' started by LanaLogan, May 16, 2009.

  1. Ok so mainly I'm worried about where to get my PGCE after my initial degree the only place I have really found is keele and this makes me worried about the need for teachers of social sciences like sociology I have been looking for jobs and they are few and far between although im sure this may be different in 4 years time when i will have completed my degree and PGCE.
    Is there a great need for sociology teachers or would I be better going for something like primary becuase I have been accepted on a course for early primary education no worries and I have heard that they are difficult to get in to and that if you go down the degree first route you nedd either english, maths or science.

    thanks for reading and helping !
  2. Since your parents are both teachers , surely they would be more helpful than us?
    I cant predict four years time. I will say this though, in my experience getting a job as a sociology teacher is harder than getting one in other areas of social science. Most sociology teachers train as RE teachers or as citizenship/ PHSME teachers.
    Right now they are training loads of teachers and I doubt its going to get any less the case. Primary teaching is full to overflowing ( take a look at the unemployed teachers forum).
    Have you thought about doing a maths, chemistry or physics degree instead? Much more opportunity to teach those. Lots of English teachers though, so I wouldn't go that route.
  3. Now, I am going to be rude.

    Not everyone on these forums is a good typist and lots of typographical errors do slip through, but I find the total lack of punctuation in the first post to be very, very frightening indeed. I really don't think English teaching would be a good way to go for this student and in fact, teaching itself is optimistic for someone who can't and won't make any attempt to write in anything approximately like a sentence.
  4. Don't be so snippy, jantwokay. At least it isn't in textspeak, this time.
  5. So sorry, but I care about these things. It's a bad habit. I even complain on a weekly basis to Tesco about their '10 items or less' aisles. Fewer, damn you, it's fewer. At least Waitrose get it right; it's just I can't afford to shop there ...
  6. I have to admit I saw it and thought the same as you Jan. I was ready with my red pen but then realised I had already had one run in with this kid and didnt want to come across as a total a** h*le or at least not an anally retentive one.
  7. I'm afraid to say that I find these posts somewhat dubious. Too badly written and to incoherent to take seriously. Also this is a site FOR teachers and while I appreciate what I think is an attempt to be supportive (hard to be certain to be honest) there are many sites for students to chat and I would never dream of gatecrashing them with my babbling.
  8. Yeah, the student room would be the classic for a 19 year old student like the one claiming to be here.
  9. I thought the same as ******* and stayed out of it!
    As I was so suspicious I thought I'd stop - cos I truly don't want to slam into a real 19 year old with issues.

    Perhaps we should have posted a student room link!

    Ooooooooooooooh! I'm still in work mode, too helpful and nice!
  10. Thank you for all your wonderful support the fact that I gained any GCSE's at all is a mystery to me. Any way this is not a true reflection of my english skills I just posted this topic for help and by the way no wonder your students refuse to co-operate when this is what I get for asking a few simple questions good luck and I hope to prove you all wrong in the future!
  11. Aah! But you are out in the real world now, Lana. Just as we are all out of the classroom and can act as the fully functioning, free from "student centred" school policies and restrictions!
    The real world will never make allowances for you, or anyone else, to the extent you have been used to at school. Here is where you get to grow up!
    If, at 19, you expect adults to cut you a break, play nice, forgive your errors, attitudes or hand you your expectations you will be disappointed!
    We all went through it, we all thought grown ups were boring old fa rts who could get happy in a joke factory....... but we all had to grow up and get on with, mainly because we had to earn a living!

    Remember, your teachers and parents have to support you, it is in their job descriptions. No one here has to, nor does anyone else in your life from now on! You may have to modify your expectations and attitudes, just as we all had to!

    One thing though, none of us old fogies would have posted on a teachers forum with your attitude (had posting existed way back 'in the day'), we would have been far more circumspect, polite, decipherable.
  12. Ooops! Errata!

  13. Best make that erratum!
    Have I ruined the intended effect yet? [​IMG]

  14. Hello Lana
    I'm head of one of the social sciences (Psychology) in a sixth form college and you're right - jobs rarely come up for subjects such as these!
    If you do a degree in Sociology then you would probably be able to get onto a primary PGCE, as long as you get plenty of experience in your final year working with that age group. You could maybe think about doing a few summer play schemes or Camp America or maybe seeing if a nearby primary school would let you help out for a few mornings a week. Don't rely on the latter option though because I'm sure they are swamped with requests from similar people!
    If you are keen on teaching the older ones (11-16) then I'm really not too sure about which secondary subject you could specialise in. Maybe you could think about doing a joint honours (i.e. Sociology with another subject that is taught at secondary level) rather than a single Sociology degree just to open your options up a bit. I don't know what your other A Levels are but perhaps something worth thinking about?
    I would NOT recommend doing a Post-16 PGCE. This means that you would only be able to teach sociology in a sixth form/college and if you decide later on that you want to go into secondary/primary you would have to re-train. A few of the teachers where I work are having to do this and its not the ideal option at all.
    To summarise - if you know for definite that you absolutely do want to be a primary school teacher then in all honesty I would accept the early years course you have been offered. If you are not sure but definitely keen on primary then do Sociology then a PGCE. If you think secondary or A Level is for you then I would think about a joint honours with an 11-18 PGCE.
    As for the GCSE Maths, English and Science, I believe that if you are born after a certain date (can't remember!) then you do need all three. If you are missing one of them then get enrolled onto a night class in your first year at uni and get it out of the way while the uni work load is relatively light!
    http://www.tda.gov.uk/ This website should help you
    Hope this has helped!
  15. Our school is looking for a sociology teacher at the moment - but they need to be able to offer another subject as well. I expect this is often the way, so perhaps training as a citizenship teacher, then offering sociology as well might be the best way forward.

    The fact that you are searching for advice is commendable. Do however remember that teaching does attract a mixture of great professionals and some low quality people. It can be a struggle dealing with some of the cretins... Good luck.
  16. owen786

    owen786 New commenter

    <font size="1">Hi Lana</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">I&rsquo;m so sorry for the disgusting treatment you have received by bitter, nasty teachers who probably cannot teach or relate to the modern student. It appals me to think that these teachers are delivering subjects that require empathy and an understanding of the human nature. </font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">The answer to your question is somewhat complex! There are many jobs for social scientists, but it depends what you mean by this! People with sociology degrees can usually go on to teach primary, RE, citizenship, sociology (obviously!) and even psychology.</font><font size="1">If you simply want to teach sociology, then it can be more difficult as it is usually taught post 16, but not impossible if you are free to move anywhere. </font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">I would always recommend a general PGCE as the best option, primary though overcrowded has the largest pool of available jobs.</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">Thanks</font><font size="1">T</font>
  17. I am going to comment if no one else will - as usual best foot forward, but frankly this post is offensive to teachers. I do not believe it is appropriate to the standard of English used by students in this medium, especially when such students are supposed to be requesting advice. The least they can do is put their requests into a form that can be easily understood.
    Secondly I do not think it is appropriate to reward such students who are rude and abrupt with any kind of answer which is disrespectful to ones teaching colleagues.
    Thirdly. You need to get it right. In order to complete a PGCE with QTS ( for schools) ideally a graduate ( PGCE applicant) would need a degree which was in a national curriculum subect or has a substantial element of same. This subject is usually the one they are applying to teach.
    This is a particularly difficult requirement to meet for a sociolgy graduate since their degres are not in a National Curriculum subject. Some do find their way onto RE and Citizenship PGCE's but I have heard many social science PGCE students comment how hard they find adaptibng their subject to KS 3 level in citizenship or ( even more so) RE teaching.
    If you try to take a primary PGCE you have toi have a National Curriculum subject so that discounts most sociology graduates altogether.
    If you do a B.Ed or a three year BA in Education with QTS - the new one now onstream, you have to have a National Curriculum subject at A level that you can continue with at degree level.
    For all routes into teaching you will need GCSE ( A* -C) in Maths English and Science.
    If you chose to try for the FE route , which is currently in flux, you will find that your teaching qualification is of little use outside of FE and further, with a sociology degree you are likely to find employment somewhat limited unless you have some element of practical subject in there - like social care , health and social care or similar.
    Indeed, without putting a fine point on it, sociology is not as in demand as some other areas. Many who have proper teaching qualifications can pick up H&SC ror allied fields ( most are home ec/ textile . technology teachers in schools). many PE teachers take Citizenship and RE as their second subjects.
    Teaching is an overcrowded field. It is more so overcroweded in social science where who are graduates of other areas feel they can teach quite ade
  18. whoops - that managed to go before I was ready. Sorry.
    adequately - and thats about it.
  19. owen786

    owen786 New commenter

    As usual ******* you spout a load of rubbish and say very little that is true. I take offence at your patronising tone towards both collegues and students.
    Quite frankly with your pessimistic attitude towards sociology it is any wonder any sociology graduate can get a job!

    The following is from the Manchester Met university regarding PGCE
    A first or second class UK honours degree (2:1 and above) or equivalent qualification. Plus GCSE (or equivalent) with passes in at least five subjects with grade C or above in English language, mathematics and science. All prospective PGCE trainees will be required to complete a Criminal Records Bureau Enhanced Disclosure and a DCSF Fitness to Teach health form.

    The following from GTC website
    For primary courses, some ITT providers prefer you to have a degree in a national curriculum subject. If you don&rsquo;t, it is very important to stress in your personal statement the relevance of your education to the curriculum you will be teaching. You may want to highlight specific modules that relate to English, mathematics or science, or mention your A-levels if they are in national curriculum subjects.
    ******* Quotes "If you try to take a primary PGCE<u> you have toi have</u> a National Curriculum subject so that discounts most sociology graduates altogether."
    So once again ******* you are giving bad and in fact INCORRECT advice, so please do not patronise me and GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT

    By the way I am the Head of a succesful school and have employed 5 sociology graduates as primary teachers. Oh and before you criticise the standard of others grammar please look back at your own.

  20. owen786

    owen786 New commenter

    Oh and for Edgehill University Primary PGCE:

    Before the programme commences, <u>you must have: A first or second class Honours degree from a UK university, in any subject;</u> GCSE at grade C (or equivalent qualification) in Combined Science/Physics/Chemistry/Biology and two additional National Curriculum subjects.
    Get your facts right or don't comment!

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