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Lots of presents from Santa...is this necessary?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by towncryer, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    OK...So I'm being a bit of Grinch maybe...but I seem to be reading a lot of hardship stories in the papers lately from parents who are bemoaning the fact that they wont be able to buy "as many" presents as they usually do due to financial hardship. The latest, in my local paper is a mother who is going to tell her kids there is no Santa simply because she cant buy the usual amount of presents due to her benefits changing. Not because she can't buy any. at all...but because she can't buy as many as before.

    So when did this come about? When did it become fashionable to lavish loads of presents on children at Christmas?

    Maybe I came from a frugal family (well I did actually) but when I was a kid and my parents played Santa it was one main present usually something I wanted - though not always, a couple of secondary things like jumpers, shoes etc...which actually would have been part of the household budget but exciting to me because they were from Santa and the best part ...the stocking full of cheap stuff...erasers, diaries,fruit, nuts etc. A Dandy from one set of grandparents and a Beano from the other set and I was in Christmas heaven! Looking back ,I know now that my parents were very hard up at times but I never knew about it and never ever felt deprived or that I hadn't got enough.

    So I just wonder about some of these parents I read about today. How many exactly have they being buying and why can't they just cut down a bit rather than burden their own kids by telling them there's no money?

    When did this Christmas excess begin? And why does it always seems to those least able to afford it who have been indulging like this?
     
  2. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    When people started calling Father Christmas, Santa.
     
  3. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    You have a point. I used the word Santa but of course in my childhood it was always Father Christmas.
     
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  4. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

    There is a sense of oneupmanship I think in people’s gifts for their children.

    On my FB feed is someone I used to work with. On every available occasion, she posts pictures of her grandchildren, surrounded by mountains of gifts- birthday, Christmas, Halloween, Easter and so on. I expect it’s intended to show how much she loves them, but I don’t measure love in terms of material possessions.

    Every visit to a film, every day out, every meal is catalogued. Let’s just move on!
     
  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    People who do that sort of thing are usually missing something in their lives.
     
  6. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I think it's called 'a brain'.
     
  7. grumbleweed

    grumbleweed Star commenter

    I don't think some people have a sense of buying cheap things at Christmas. My step daughter called me last week to tell me how delighted she was that the phone she bought her15 year old daughter was 'only' £500. And that would be one of several prsents, and they are always saying how hard up they are. I doubt I've spent that much in total on everybody. I do spent a little more on my grandson as he has very little family, no other grandparents, aunts etc.so this year he does have 8 presents, of of which one was over 20 quid, the rest ranging between 1 and 7 quid. He's still very happy with a new pencil case, a game and a bit of Lego and couple of books. And I'm looking at it thinking I've gone a bit mad this year!
    It's scale isn't it?
    But the begging on crowdfunding is beyond me, but people must give the money so more fool them.
     
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  8. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    Unfortunately that;s a lot of people. What foxtale 3 describes is very common on facebook.
     
  9. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

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    Every visit to a film, every day out, every meal is catalogued. Let’s just move on![/QUOTE]

    And that is exactly why I no longer subscribe to facebook.
     
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  10. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    500 on a phone! There certainly seems to some kind of price-blindness going on these days. Your presents seem far more sensible,Grumbleweed, and more like the kind of thing I see as sensible buying.

    And as for crowd finding...that's the bit I really don't understand. Why parade your kids in front of all the wcoutry through the papers just so you can drum up money to buy these extravagant gifts? Surely no fancy present on the 25th can make up for knowing that your family is poor....and that probably all your school mates now know that as well thanks to the media exposure.
     
  11. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    I will be honest and say this is what is driving it as instant, online begging has opened new avenues and worse, is becoming slowly but surely acceptable.

    I will also admit that the recent story of a father getting (I think) a few thousand quid with his sob story about no money for Christmas presents did...for a little while at least....have me wonder if I should try.

    Over time that little 'don't be a mug, get some easy cash' voice will grow in more and more heads and yes, maybe even my head and your head the more accepted it becomes.
     
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  12. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    Let's hope not. If it becomes unacceptable for people to do without/be not so extravagant then we will all be a nation of online beggars,I do wonder ,when I read these stories why its even acceptable to publish them and make it seem the normal thing to do, The only exception for me is when people are robbed, and then, a little generosity wouldn't go amiss to replace what has been lost.
     
  13. SammyBear2016

    SammyBear2016 Occasional commenter

    This is something that really infuriates me. I don't have a problem with people spending any amount of money on thier own children but i hate the idea that lots of presents or very expensive presents have to come from Father Christmas. This is unfair to those children whose parents are unable to afford it. In our house Father Christmas brings small presents and bigger, more expensive gifts are from Mummy and Daddy. Most of the gifts we have bought our son have been bits i have picked up in sales throughout the year and in actual fact have spent very little on. Christmas has become so commercialised and spending time with family and friends is far more important than gifts.

    Crowdfunding is becoming an increasingly big problem but as others have rightly pointed out people are donating. There are so many good causes out there that surely their donation would be better given to one of the many charities, there are even ones specifically for disadvantaged children and families at Christmas.
     
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  14. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    We have a small pile each of about 5 or 6 presents and a stocking for the kids even though they are no longer kids it's a bit of a tradition. What annoys me is when colleagues buy me a Xmas present. I then have to buy them one back and where do you stop? I also have a neighbour who gets us a little present and I wish she wouldn't because I don't want to get into that routine. I haven't bought her one back as I don't want to start something off but I feel bad about it. She even buys something for our dog and wraps it up for him! He hasn't got a clue it's Christmas so what's the point?
     
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  15. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Thelow level of financial sense in a lot of people in this country is truly appalling
     
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  16. Dragonlady30

    Dragonlady30 Star commenter

    Crowd Funding?? :confused: Are you serious?? Folks crowd fund for Christmas presents?? :confused:

    I've heard everything now!!:rolleyes:
     
  17. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I do feel very sorry for that little girl who didn't get to go to Lapland (Finland) because her flight was cancelled due to the drone chaos at Gatwick.
     
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  18. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Crowd funding - begging for the 21st century.
     
  19. Norsemaid

    Norsemaid Lead commenter

    I'm so fed up with the commercialism of it all and the stress that it creates that I have said to my offspring and partner please so not buy me anything for Christmas .
    my offspring who are now living independently and work hard but need to balance their accounts . I said please don't stress yourself on my account and I mean it - as I don't want or need anything. I just would like them to be happy and comfortable not worrying about their finances .
    In return yes, I've given them some money as I like to do that but it's not much and they have a few practical items which they could do with. My Son actually asked for socks !
    I've worked in placces whereby children have all the toys and gadgets and are taken to every hobby and club going ( which can be beneficial I know) , but don't spend any time with their parents as they re too busy !
    My parents didn't have much money, but Christmas for us was about family, making up our own traditions and valuing one another .
    I thought Christmas was stressful enough when mine were growing up but now I think it's worse .
    oh dear what a grumpy little elf I've become . :oops::(
     
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  20. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    I would agree with that. Low level of financial sense coupled with a high degree of entitlement.
     

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