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Let’s replace religious assembly in schools with a ‘thought for the day’

Discussion in 'Education news' started by FrankWolley, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

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  2. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    Surely the best thing would to be to forbid schools from imposing any moral view or worldview that was either not consented to (e.g. Christian parents consent to their children being brought up in those values by being sent to a Church school) or which are not provable by fact (which includes many "humanist" values).
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  3. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    This change happened around 20+ years ago, as far as I am aware.

    Can't think why it would be considered a new suggestion, or current idea right now.

    actually, maybe closer to 30 years ago
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  4. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    So if a parent says 'I don't believe the US landed on the moon' or 'I don't believe the holocaust happened during WW2' the school couldn't teach their children that?:eek:
  5. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Thought for the week in the mainstream school I knew well.
  6. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Aside from when i worked in Catholic school, I do remember any religious assemblies.
  7. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    The last proper religious assembly I remember was July 1969
    1970-1971 they were just general moral ramblings from the (alcoholic) Headmistress..

    All my working life they have been either general information sessions, TFTD, or just a moan/telling off over whatever has happened the previous week.

    Edit: actually, for some reason, I’m now feeling a bit nostalgic for those religious assemblies of my youth
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  8. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    Don’t teach any moral view? :eek: There needs to be some way of educating children about what is right and wrong - theft, murder, discrimination etc - and this might not have been done at home.

    For what it’s worth, I haven’t seen any religious assemblies in many years (secondary schools). Assemblies are much more to do with teaching against racism, sexism, homophobia etc.
  9. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    Musing on my previous post .
    I’m thinking that , strangely, the religious assemblies of my youth were far less of an imposition of anything compared to the later non religious assemblies of the schools I was working in.

    The religious assemblies were a standard format of reading, hymn, prayer - much of which was probably not fully understood by us pupils.
    The non religious thought for the day , telling off etc were far more ‘hectoring’ and ‘thou shalt not’ etc than the routinised religious ones.

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  10. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    You cannot be serious. Moral viewpoints by their very nature are not provable by fact. Can you show us how 'You must not kill' is provable by fact'? Or 'You must not steal'?
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  11. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    I’ve always thought that one of the most important aspects of education is to show children alternative ideas etc to their (inevitably) narrow family experience.
    A good education gives children/adults choice. Choice requires knowledge of alternatives.

    For some of my pupils I hope teachers gave them an idea (role model?) of a different type of adult to the one they experienced in their parents.

    Yup, that’s a moral viewpoint.
  12. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    Read what I posted. Parents should be able to object to the teaching of what is not fact. The moon landings are fact; personal mores are not.
  13. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    No, but I can tell you about the consequences. Steal or kill and you might go to prison.

    If property is theft, what is theft but instant redistribution?
  14. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Are you claiming that concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' shouldn't be taught?

    That children shouldn't be taught to not to steal, for example? Does whether it's OK to steal depend on the likelihood of them being caught?

    That the moon landings were a "fact" is only your opinion. Many people believe the Apollo 11 landings weren't a fact, they were faked (I'm not one of them!). Who decides what's a fact and what isn't in your proposed regime?
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  15. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    Replacing one set of unfounded opinions (religion) with another (humanism, presumably) isn't terribly progressive, really.

    A fact is verifiable or it can be reasonably inferred. Get a powerful enough telescope and you can see the remains of the missions to the moon. Simple really.
  16. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    Right and wrong are individual or communal judgements. Pupils should learn about the law and the consequences of criminality, but morals are beyond the state's remit.
  17. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    What a remarkably naïve view you have of what a "fact" is, and who would want to live in the amoral world you are proposing, stripped of concepts of right or wrong. Or are you actually the marketing department for Lord of the Flies?
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  18. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter


    I don't live in an amoral world, but I object to state power being used to advocate anything other than fact, without people's permission.

    Do you not believe in fact? What's wrong with leaving morals and values to individuals and the communities to which they belong?
  19. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Schools are not part of the community then? No role for them in teaching community values?
  20. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    You don't see schools as part of the communities to which they belong?

    What happens when the moral compass of the parents is in an opposing direction to the rest of society?

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