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Let us back, you wee ageist whippernappsers!

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Mrsmumbles, Jul 22, 2018.


Do we need a UK #letexperiencedUKteachersback campaign?

  1. Yes, why are TES ignoring this, parents and kids are fully aware of the need

    25 vote(s)
  2. Oh no,four supplies a term and unqualified inexperienced staff are great!

    0 vote(s)
  3. The fact that this poll exists proves that Uk teaching is stuffed

    19 vote(s)
  1. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I suppose the other problem is that older staff can remember when 'new' initiatives were tried the first time round, and are not shy in pointing out why they didn't work then. This creates embarrassing silences on INSET days when the SLT's pet greasy pole climber with the Powerpoint is trying to find a foothold on others' shoulders to ensure their next promotion.

    Can't be having that now can we? Not good for morale.
  2. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    How many of us want to go back?
  3. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    I would never go back to full time teaching secondary school Maths or Computing again, ever. The courses, especially computer science, are a pigs ear. I finished teaching on £52k a year but the salaries on offer now rarely get to £38k for a class teacher and my pension would actually go down if I taught more years because my best years would drop off a cliff. The behaviour of children has definitely gotten worse and I don’t have the energy anymore to keep telling kids to put their mobiles away and concentrate, to deal with constant low level disruption. The expected workload is not sustainable when you are in your 50s. And I hate being observed with inane feedback from some pole climber who can use PowerPoint but nothing else.

    But, I would work abroad and am thinking of going back to Singapore for a few years. I’ve done voluntary work and loved it and it is very worthwhile and humbling and have taught infants and had lots of fun with that too.

    I miss some teaching but not in the UK and certainly not with secondary British kids.
  4. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I've sort of gone back into teaching, but on my own terms as a self-employed provider of specialist sessions for schools. I can do as much or as little of it as I please, with resources I've created myself, and with no unnecessary paperwork to follow. I find it very rewarding, I get repeat bookings, and I would definitely not climb back into the hamster wheel. I've paid my dues in the formal education system and left full-time teaching at 50 when it all got too silly. Time to move on.
  5. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Not that many, I'll wager. I have a wonderful life tutoring. All the students have to come to me, and 9am would be an early start. Also I rarely tutor after 7pm. I only tutor what interests me: A-level maths, chemistry and physics. Also, I ditch any students who incur my displeasure. During this good weather I've been tutoring in tee-shirt, shorts and sandals, after spending lots of time enjoying my garden.

    The school my nephew goes to is lacking in good maths, physics and chemistry teachers. They even failed, after a couple of adverts, to fill a chemistry position. But, since they are well aware of me, one has to wonder at the REAL reason why they failed to fill it. However, even if they had had the integrity to approach me I'd now tell them to sling their hook.
  6. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Including myself, I know three science teachers, one a physicist, who have been looking for work for years. Similarly, I know of several local schools who claim to be 'desperate' to find science and maths teachers. When we have applied, none of these schools want to know!
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  7. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    And I'll bet you that like my nephew's school they don't tell the parents that their children don't have a good teacher because SLT wasn't prepared to pay a fair salary and didn't want someone who would laugh at their bullying instead of jumping through unnecessary hoops. As I said before, this school has a small empire of parasitic admin staff, whose wages would be far better spent on teachers.
  8. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Very familiar. The school run to perpetuate its 'management'.
  9. George_Randle

    George_Randle Established commenter

    The younger riseth when the old doth fall.

    Yet once the young are burnt out in their turn, I know not where is that Promethian heat that can their light relume.

    Unless they make it into the management caste that is.
    catbefriender and Mrsmumbles like this.
  10. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    We had a Chemist who taught Maths as a supply teacher at my school, until the classroom teacher returned. We also had an opening in the Science Department. Did they take him on, no, they hired a Teach First student instead.
  11. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

  12. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    I can go one better. The Cheap First student that my nephew's school hired to teach maths had an English degree! Of course, neither the students or their parents were informed that someone without a teaching qualification, and a totally irrelevant degree had been hired to teach maths. And, she was, and still is, an absolutely useless maths teacher.
  13. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

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  14. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Are an NQT or who are not NQT?
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  15. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Oh God...did TCSC47 ...did you mean they didn’t want any qualifiers searchers at all, even if newly so? I thought you meant they wanted experienced qualifiers for a long time teachers. Eek.
  16. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Or other countries!
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  17. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Sorry David, that was me on supply last year when I was doing my undercover journo stint on bad academies..!
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  18. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Well, quite!
  19. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    Schools in special measures are often barred (by OFSTED) from appointing NQTs.
    Mrsmumbles, stonerose and agathamorse like this.
  20. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Before Trump and before Brexit, I would have thought this a joke, but now I am wondering if maybe it isn't, and I have truly misunderstood what I was told! The world is mad, mad, MAD!
    Mrsmumbles likes this.

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