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Leaving the EU., the good news (for a change).

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lexus300, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    But when you post your own list of doom and gloom its not boring at all:

    Here was your misery list from a few weeks ago:

    We have some very serious problems other than those so often discussed on here.
    Typically and not exhaustively:

    1. We have an unsustainable national debt
    2. We have a consumer credit bubble
    3. We have a taxation system that does not properly work and which has a total take of 37% of GDP
    4. Our central bank has and still is reacting to situations
    5. We have slow productivity growth
    6. How do we reverse monetary policy so as to bring our spending under control without harming those in our society least able to cope?
    7. Interest rates are low and likely to remain so, it is forecast that a rise in rates would send 80,000 lower performing companies to the wall
  2. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Maybe the solution they want is for Ireland to leave the European Union and re-join the British Union.
  3. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    I'm the sort of person who finds out where we are going first and goes somewhere I think we will like and that I can afford, I will take out travel insurance and have any recommended injections if relevant, if the Foreign Office are advising against travel to that area I most probably won't go. I won't just get on a plane or boat, hand over a credit card to pay an unspecified amount of money and hope for the best.

    Likening leaving the EU to some big exciting adventure is just plain deluded.

    I've had enough of your game, I responded to your request for why leaving is already a bad idea and of course you just predictably look the other way or are in denial or make spurious and irrelevant links to something that happened previously under different circumstances. As I said before, I opened this thread hoping for some genuine good news but got empty childish rhetoric.

    So how about playing it the other way round? You show us what has already happened that is good and what will DEFINITELY happen in the future that is good - Pollyanna "Everything will be lovely if we want it to be!" doesn't count.

    It is pertinent that the 3 ardent leavers on this thread are all retired, I have noticed that most vocal leavers (the ones who moan a lot that they ordered their jam yesterday and it's not here yet) are:

    1 - Retired
    2 - Comfortably off
    3 - Both
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  4. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Yes and it was within the context of our EU membership and how well we were doing!!!
  5. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    You will be fine.:):)
  6. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Wrong. Go and talk to them.
  7. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    As has been said by me and others on here, the contract was the majority vote wins. When you and every one else voted you knew that, so, it is rather a petulant attitude to now complain IMO.
    Being ageist regarding the vote is only marginally above racism and undemocratic. Those who moan about older Brexit voters do so out of hate because 'remain' lost.
    BTW., those who could not be ar*ed to vote are inconsequential, they have no legitimate complaint AFAIAC.
  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    And the likelihood of that happening? ;)
  9. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    And imagining that everyone knows the outcome is equally deluded. Do you really not understand that not everything in life can be predicted?

    But with nothing plausible. You just proved my point that nobody knows the outcome. There is merely speculation and crystal-ball gazing at this stage. It good be good, it could be bad - personally, I doubt that many will notice much difference in the long run.

    You really don't get it, do you?

    Nothing good has happened. Nothing bad has happened. Nothing is likely to happen for well over a year yet, other than talks, and more talks, and speculation, and more speculation.

    Just jumping up and down demanding NOW, NOW, NOW like some demented five year-old will not alter the fact that nothing is known at present. All is speculation.
  10. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    We all own a cake, we had a vote whether to cut the cake, it was very closely run but the cake-cutters won. Now the cake cutters think that they own the WHOLE cake and everyone else should agree with them and what they want to do with the cake - we still ALL own the cake.
    Ageist? How do you work that out? I am pointing out that the vote was by and large swung by older voters who will be relatively unaffected by the consequences, pensions in payment have guarantees. It's not pensioners who will have to make up the labour shortfall particularly of skilled and specialist workers.
    Those "inconsequential" people are the ones who will be working to pay your pension, they will be the ones who will make Brexit work in whatever way. Some may imagine they have done enough in the past for everyone to be grateful to them and carry them through, but deriding and hamstringing those you will rely on in the future is really quite an appalling attitude.
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  11. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Yikes! Hate? (my bold)
  12. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    So why are you supporting leave? (the most consistent and rabid supporter on this forum). After all you claimed to have voted remain. Maybe you just haven't got a clue what's going on and can't see beyond the dogma, that's the way it's coming across.
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  13. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    As the parent of a current five-year-old, we explain making good and bad choices. He trusts us because we set boundaries and is aware of consequences. We (the people of the UK and remember that MrSK voted) are being treated as we are too stupid to understand the government's policies but they actually have none. Bad government; we need Supernanny to help with the Tory temper tantrum!
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  14. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    National debt, personal debt, corporate debt, taxation and social policy, productivity......all these things that you provided as doom and gloom will be resolved once we leave the EU? Most of them were already under our control. Its British government policy that caused the issues you posted, policies, such as privatisation, financial deregulation and austerity that we have chosen for ourselves through democratic means, not through Brussels dictats.
    The latest daft economic policy we have chosen is leaving the customs union and internal market.
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  15. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Oh, so the couple of people that I know that are effectively one person businesses aren't going to be effected by Brexit? I'm sure they will both be so thrilled by that.
  16. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Have you ever thought it might be the sheer bloody frustration about how leaving the EU will impact a persons future possibilities?

    As I've mentioned earlier I'm doing some part time study and whilst my current confirmed plans stop at gaining a masters degree. That's because I'm going to be treating that as a pause/ rest opportunity where I can just take some time and not have studying as a significant demand on my time, I've been doing this since 2010. What I'll likely being doing is taking stock of things and then working out what PhD opportunities there are, and not being in the EU reduces the potential as we won't have EU money coming in to fund science and I won't have EU citizenship to allow me to access opportunities at Universities that work in English on the mainland continent as easily.

    So like many of the younger population I am incredibly frustrated at what I see as an isolationist outcome/mindset with the referendum.
  17. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

    I think for many people, the vote was about more than personal self-interest.
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  18. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Yes, I'm sure those voting to get rid of immigrants were doing so out of pure humanitarianism......

    Also I'm talking about the impact of the vote with the text you quote there. There are going to be many people up and down the country in a similar position where their future plans are impacted by this.
  19. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I don't particularly. I spend most of my time pointing out flaws in the arguments of others (such as claiming that there are no more Brexit talks until October, when they are actually continuing in every month, or claiming that the 2016 increase in EU migrants leaving the UK is some great negative, when in fact the number is smaller than those who left in 2009). :p
  20. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    So what do you think the 12 points in the Brexit white paper are, if they are not policies?

    Obviously, you are not going to get a lot of detail, because what will happen will depend on what the EU will agree to - and they are unlikely to tell us that for another 17 months.

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