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Discussion in 'Professional development' started by stormysky, Apr 28, 2009.
Hi miffin, is that Ppa cover thorough supply agencies? Thanks c
I've just found this on-going forum!
I'm on my PGCE at the moment. I like some others here gave up a career( in finance). I did it personally as I had worked in schools before (abroad) and needed to move towns to be closer to my OH. I have now started to question my decision.
I wanted to say that I spent an academic year working as an assistant in a school in Germany last year the same thing working in a school in France when I did my degree 10 years ago.
Whilst both experiences were different, the contrast between schools on the continent and here is enormous! Yes, it can be stressful, but the monitoring, paperwork, statistics, teachers 'defending their patch' and the workload is less on the continent. The teacher training experience is also much more pleasant. (two year masters, placements in more schools and for less time, government exam) On the flip side, because of this it's much more popular and more difficult to pass the government exam. But is that not testament to it's success?
I think we all think that it is 'teaching' that is stressful. However, as some others have realised here it's teaching in the UK (I think the US is similar) that is stressful. It's now at the point where we have more teachers out of teaching than in and as a result the youngest teaching workforce in the OECD. I know of no other country that has to give such large bursarys for some subjects just to train as a teacher!! And in a recession!!
I could understand it to some extent if we had the best education system in the world!!
Why do we make things so difficult for ourselves with regards to education?
I have just come across this thread whilst searching for other jobs that are available to qualified teachers. I currently work Mon-Fri, 9-5 (with the occasional overnight stay and late night!) but have interviews for School Direct teacher training in January. So, potentially, I could be giving up my 9-5 job come October 2014. I have read so much recently about teachers who loathe their profession, and I really am having second thoughts - I am desperate to leave my current role as I hate working for a business and the driving force behind all the work being to reach budgets (despite the fact I work in Marketing and Comms, money in the company pocket is still the over-riding theme!!). However, after seeing so many people unhappy I am worried I am going to leave one job I hate to go in to another job I hate...
However, I really would like to do a job that involves education in some way, and have thought about teaching for a few years, getting as many qualifications as I can and then going in to something like NVQ assessing or employment-based training. Has anyone who has commented on this thread before left teaching - if so what roles have you gone in to?!
I HAVE to leave my current job, I have already been diagnosed with stress and have had to rescue my 7-year long relationship which was in jeopardy due to my being an emotional wreck. However, to progress in my current sector I am going to have to face taking a pay-cut and taking an assistants role to specialise in either Marketing OR Comms (what I do now is too generic - ask the 7 people who have interviewed me for jobs in the last 12 months).. so its take a pay cut and retrain in my current sector, or take a paycut and retrain with some teaching quals!
Justme29, Can I ask, what did you decide to do in the end? I am in the same predicament but don't know where to start or what I could do instead of teaching!
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Teaching can be very stressful: the kids if in a very challenging school and lots of preparation and marking a lot teachers do this over the week end - some can do it 9-5. Senior management fear OFSTED so put pressure on us teachers. That said O personaly never use to find it stressful until 3 years ago- before that I thought it was an 11 year walk in the park.
You decide by perhaps volunteering in a school and talking to teachers.
Remember there are lots of roles working with children such as residential childrens worker; TA, HLTA, cover supervisor, careers advisor, learning mentor.......
Hello there stormsky,
I also am in the 2nd year of teaching and completely empathise! I changed schools after a very (extremely!) challenging NQT year. Overall, my life is easier and less stressful but I still have to work 65 hours a week to get just planning, assessment, marking and any other jobs done. I cannot afford to earn any less. I'm thinking of leaving the profession or going to a private school. I came into the profession (as a second career) with a sense of excitement, enthusiasm and drive. However, I can't see it getting any easier. Sadly, I may well be leaving the profession very soon.
Just stumbled across this thread.
After 14 years and 6 as dht I've had enough. I'm sat here putting off the amount of work I have to do before going back to school on Tuesday.
The good news is I'm leaving at Easter having got a team manager job outside education. Can't wait to get a life back!
Oh yes your health is important!
I've found it a real comfort today to read your post. I've never written anything like this before but my situation is almost identical to yours.
I've been teaching for 22 years now and am 45 this year. Wow oh wow how the job has changed in that time and not for the better in my view. I am totally fed up of everything at school apart from the dear children who I just want to teach! I too have had enough!
The final straw for me happened in Aug '14 when I ended up having to have major surgery which meant being off sick until after Oct half term. Since being back at school I have seen life in a different light.
Life is too short to be unhappy! Despite children growing up, an apprehensive hubby, working part time and a pension I am now looking to pastures new. I've spoken to various friends and family, non of which can believe that I've stuck at it this long. I'm still at school, just..... but am now seriously looking for another job. I've decided that I would rather work for say 4 days a week 9-5 where I can switch off and live life again rather than work at school for 2 days a week and then be worrying about it for the other 5.
Some would say that maybe I'm looking through rose tinted glasses and that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere but whatever happens it's definitely a New Year and time for change.
I'm definitely calling it a day on teaching this year!
I agree that life isn't always greener on the other side but looking at this side I know where I'd rather be! I thought I would immediately regret handing in my notice but I haven't. If anything, this first day back has just reaffirmed my decision. To be honest, I don't even enjoy working with the children anymore and am sick of their, well, childishness.
Good luck with the job hunting!
Great news Cleggy1611, You've been teaching as long as I have, how did you start with regard to updating CV to private sector as well as preparing for any potential reduction in income? Did you just apply for jobs on spec? Did employers seem receptive to your career in education and the transferable skills we have? I'm currently in a very similar situation (burnt out HOD of 14 years) and desperate to find something more suited to me that pays more money!. Lastly, how long did it take to find a new position?
Hi. I started looking seriously at the end of the summer term 2014. To start with, I looked at jobs that paid the same as dht but quickly realised that this was unrealistic so I set myself a minimum amount that I wanted and started from there. Over the last few years my mortgage has dropped a bit and I've cut down my spending. The job I got was about 20% less than I get now but obviously there will be development opportunities.
I user a lot of jobsites but found the best one for me was the indeed.com app as it was easy to search and brought up the most relevant positions.
I heard nothing for any of the jobs I applied for at first but for the one I got i wrote a supporting letter which drew on my experiences with specific examples.
For my interview I had to prepare a presentation. Although it was quite a generic topic, I know virtually nothing about the industry I'm going into. However, the interviewers were impressed by how I linked my skills to the post. Pm me with any other questions if you like.
I'm in FE, I'm 52 now and I've had enough. Had enough of stroppy ill-educated and ill-mannered teenagers, had enough of relentless quality checks and lesson observations and all that goes with it.
I'm single have paid off mortgage and have no kids or debts . I have one or 2 ways of cutting back expenses to the (absolute) minimum and have some (to some unorthodox) ways of making money.
I don't intend to call upon my pension until I really need to. I just can't face going into work on Monday grinding my teeth in frustration and waking up in the middle of the night with my heart racing with stress.
I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread. It's good to see that it's not just me feeling this way. A lot of people seem to have similar impressions of workload/stress etc, whether they are new (like me) or have been teaching all of their life.
I'm now (just over) half-way through my PGCE year and I've decided that there is no way I will do my NQT year at the end of it. I thought I would enjoy teaching, I've worked other jobs before that aren't known for being easy and I'm not afraid of hard work. However, I'm finding the workload/stress and constantly being made to feel like everything you do is wrong, is almost unbearable. Apparently I'm also not very good at teaching either and everything (planning, marking etc) just takes so long to do.
I really want to walk in tomorrow and quit, but I refuse to do that because I don't think it looks good on a CV and wouldn't help me to get employment elsewhere. I also feel very guilty as I'm very luck and have a Royal Society of Chemistry Scholarship (£25k) to train, while other people on my course who seem to love it get much less than that. Still, as others have said on this forum - life is too short to work in a job you don't enjoy and takes so much.
I too have just found this thread. I will be leaving this year after ten years. Well and truly fed up with constant scrutiny and data. Was told off today for not filling in stickers on front of books. I have my markbook with grades in, a database on the school system, a spreadsheet with achievement vs target and the actual grades and targets on their work folders. When I pointed out that writing the data in more places does not help the child I was accused of not being a team player.
I would rather do anything than teach at the moment - even though my results are good and I have a great relationship with the students.
Roll on the summer!
I am happy that you still love the kids and I wish you luck and success.
My situation is similar to yours, teaching science for 21 years, 49 years of age. I have reached a point where my mental and physical health are being compromised by my career. The profession has changed beyond all recognition in the last 15 years and it doesn't help that weasels like Cameron and his peon Gove stir up hysteria in the media and the joyful witch hunt they embark on every year is hardly checked. The teaching profession is a profession under siege. Day in and day out I see fellow practitioners have seven proverbial bells kicked out of them by management, the kids, parents, the media and society in general.
I tried to leave teaching in 2013, but that didn't work out. A poxy sales job, targets and a career that is the antithesis of what I have spent my working life doing. So I went back into the classroom, first as supply and now I teach in a grammar school. I have a ridiculous amount of marking to do. I have a just as ridiculous amount of assessment, report writing, tracking and any amount of other frass to do too. All of it is priority one. Nothing I do can ever be even adequate any more. This is despite being judged an outstanding teacher by OFSTED in the past on more than one occasion and also being the leader of a national centre of excellence.
The kids I work with now don't want to actually learn, oh no. They just want to know how to get the marks on the exam. Outside of that, they have no interest in the actual subject whatsoever. Despite my best instincts to try to be an inspirational teacher, I am goaded by management, colleagues and the children to stick to the narrow, proscriptive and hollow pursuit of grooming children to pass exams. I have been robbed of my last bastion of satisfaction and this has left me feeling bitter and resentful.
The final straw for me was one weekend, having already worked for 12 hours, my 8 year old Son came to me and asked me to arrange a play date with him because he missed me. It was at this point that I realised I was actually certifiably medically insane. I was spending hours and hours working on behalf of other people's children, none of whom gave two figs about what I was doing for them while at the same time neglecting my own children's needs. Worse still, I was probably the least insane of the people I was working for or with.
I have had eighteen and a half barrels full of enough. I don't want to go into the classroom any more. There is no joy or love for me there. I don't want to go to school any more, because I see it as becoming more and more irrelevant as the Education process becomes monetized and privatized by stealth. Increasingly I ask my self the questions of the children and adults I meet in school "why is everyone rushing so fast? Where are they going to in such a hurry?" When I was a child, learning was amazing and fulfilling. Informative was good enough without having to be entertained with instant gratification. The journey took time and we took our time because it was fun. Children are not like that any more.
I don't want to give any more of my heart and soul any more because the generous gift I have given over a lifetime has not been appreciated apart from by a very few. I have been taken for granted, imposed upon, assaulted, brutalised, criticized, vilified, mocked, teased, bullied and abused by children and their parents at one stage or another. I have been shamefully exploited with callous disregard by this nation and it's politicians but apparently that's OK "because it's for the kids!" IT'S NOT OK. The nation does not deserve committed and hard working teachers because once you scratch the surface, the nation does not care about education. Certainly, given the chance to vote for politicians who say "Education has to be paid for by higher taxes so we can have smaller classes, more teachers and better resources and you all have to pay more to achieve this." or "Education needs to be reformed to encourage better efficiency and outcomes for children, incompetent teachers need to be held accountable and children's achievement must be measured against a set of national standards", if the latter offers tax cuts, we all know how the majority of people will vote.
So get me out. Please. Show me a way I can get out of teaching that does not involve training, education, sales or premature death. I am entitled to existence out of the classroom and away from working all hours so I can have some kind of life of my own.
It is such a relief to know that I am not alone in thinking our education system has become an exam factory and the love of learning is secondary to that. I am a member of an infant school SLT and have taught across the primary age range, part time full time, inner city and leafy suburb over 22 years. I have recently realised that that I no longer believe in or enjoy my job. I love teaching but the pressure, harassment, bullying and anxiety are ruining my life and that of my family. Life is precious so I am going to find another way of earning a living. A second career. Good luck to all of you out there doing the same.
I'm taking voluntary redundancy after 11years in Further Education. There is so much paperwork and no time to mark work. Therre are so few staff that covering lessons all the time together with changing roles from September to make many lecturers instructors to save money has caused many to think about other options.. Teaching is no longer a passion it's a chore. I have no idea what I will do but hopefully no regrets to leave this all behind in the summer. Any suggestions of career option will be much appreciated.
Wow! I just came back to this (now) thread and read all the responses! I can't believe that what I posted all that time ago struck a chord with so many people!
Well, you may be interested to hear what's happened since I wrote that first post..!?
I have left teaching in the UK and am not teaching English abroad after completing a CELTA part time. I don't regret it for a second as I know that I can go back to teaching in the UK if I ever want to. Prior to leaving, I was granted a sabbatical for one year. I used this year to travel and explore the possibilities of living abroad. It really opened my eyes to just how much life there is to live, and how I felt utterly trapped by my job, debt and the whole rat race.
So, I returned, completed an academic year and then left! So far, so good - although, it's early days! I urge people to step back and assess their situations. If you wake up feeling sick most days of the week and can't switch off (even in the holidays) and your Sunday evening is ruined by the thought of the week ahead then you're probably in the wrong job!
I can't say my new job is perfect, but for now it suits me - I get to work with children, have fun, get enough to live on and save a good deal PLUS, when I leave work, I leave the work behind. No weekends or evenings, no thinking or worrying. I should've done it 3 years ago but I was caught up in the cycle of working and spending, chasing the so called dream of a huge mortgage, never ending car loan and more and more debts.
Hope some other people also found new paths or choices? Update us!
What jobs are there out there for life after teaching??