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"Labour must embrace Englishness – and be proud of it" - Tristram Hunt

Discussion in 'Personal' started by FrankWolley, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

  2. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Anyone know what "Englishness" is?
    The article waffled a lot about various things but didn't really explain what the term meant
     
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  3. FritzGrade

    FritzGrade Senior commenter

    Similar concept to being French, Germany or Italian.
     
  4. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Well let's face it, there aren't enough Labour voters left north of the border for them to embrace Scottishness.
     
  5. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Whatever the cultural values of the general population are perceived to be I guess. It's hard to pin down, even harder in a country like England with a mix of people from different ethnic and ideological backgrounds. However, I do think such a thing as Englishness does exist (well not in the quantifiable sense but you get what I mean), in the same way that someone might argue that 'Germanness' involves an acute sense of efficiency and a particular social restraint in public.
     
  6. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    Yes. Englishness means having the welfare of the English as your priority.
    Not very difficult, is it?
     
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    What about 'British-ness'? Or is that passe now?
     
  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    The country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not England plus add-on extras.
     
  9. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    But the English are known for their self-depreciating, sarcastic sense of humour, bland food, **** weather and the wrong kind of leaves on the track. We are recognised by our inferiority complex about our superiority complex. Therefore, it is only by making up mildly scathing jokes about ourselves, our country, and everything within it that we're living up to our stereotype.
     
  10. finisterre_277

    finisterre_277 Established commenter

    There are some who don't consider themselves to be "add-on extras"!
     
  11. finisterre_277

    finisterre_277 Established commenter

    Bring self-deprecating is a really attractive trait. You forgot queueing - which is great too!
     
  12. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    So the Labour Party as well as ignoring Northern Ireland should ignore Scotland and Wales?
     
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  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Which was my point.
     
  14. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Well, I hope that those of you who will be able to vote for a Labour Party led by Tristram after Jeremy gets the boot will see his love of your industrial scenery as an incentive. No pits, no steelworks, no shipyards but glassy temples to high tech bought up by foreign companies and countries.
     
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I've never understood why the UK mainstream parties ignore NI.... is it that they once did compete in the province but failed or is it that they've never tried?
     
  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    They have had a semi-detached relationship. It used to be the Conservative and Unionist Party with Unionists not able to vote on all bills. Maggie got rid of the link and the Unionists got the same voting rights as everyone else. Labour went for wanting an All-Ireland so those wanting to vote Labour had to vote SDLP which is Nationalist. Liberals and SDP were never interested.
    Today we have Unionists because the Torys' suggestion of combining with Unionists again got short shrift so they have a poorly supported Conservative party here. I wasn't going to vote for a Tory from London as my MP. Greens are only connected to English Greens by affiliation, I think and I'm not sure about their view of the Union. Lib Dems are even more supercilious than Tories.
    At a time we had good socialists but the threat of losing the Union meant that few would risk voting for them.
     
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  17. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    God help Theresa Villiers; she does a generally good job.
     
  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Thanks Rac
     
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  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    BTW... I don't see a big problem with the first of these suggestions.

    The second... hmmm... so England would become a devolved unit of 58 million to Scotland's 5 million, Wales 3 million and NI at 1.8 million.

    It'd be completely out of proportion and dominate the Union ... much as Russia did in the USSR... and I'm sure we're all of an age to remember Yeltsin bossing Gorbachev around in the dying days.

    But it is an issue that needs addressing...
     
  20. jacob

    jacob Lead commenter

    Getting rid of Tristram Hunt would be a good step forward for labour. He is obviously a closet Tory in denial. Mind you the Tories are overloaded with privately educated, posh named smarm merchants, he would probably disappear amongst their lot, but good riddance.
     

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