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Labour MPs targetted for intimidation, abuse and threats by Corbynistas

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Cantandmorecant, Dec 3, 2015.

  1. Cantandmorecant

    Cantandmorecant Lead commenter

    Sixty six Labour MPs have been targeted for abuse, intimidation and threats of deselection by other Labour MPs and activists supporting Jeremy Corbyn over their stance on the Syria airstrikes vote in parliament.


    One Labour MP, Stella Creasy, has been the victim of a campaign by Labour councilor Asim Mahmood who said any Labour MP who was undecided or who voted for Syrian airstrikes should face deselection for "the killing of innocents in this way should automatically go through a trigger ballot for reselection". Creasy's office faced an anti-war protest before the vote took place.

    Creasy hit back by saying, “I want to be clear that one thing I will not do is be bullied by a sitting Walthamstow Labour councillor with the threat of deselection if I don’t do what he wants. On a matter of national security such intimidation is completely unacceptable and disrespectful to the residents of Walthamstow who deserve better and glad to hear Jeremy in PLP condemn such conduct.” Creasy tweeted that she had to leave the chamber during the crucial debate to check on her staff after people had phoned her office to abuse them.

    Labour MP Jess Phillips, who opposed the airstrikes was quoted as saying, “People using Syria for their political ends to get rid of MPs are utter scum. You are colluding with your enemies.” Corbyn himself has reportedly said several times that he does not support the move to deselect MPs.

    However, this apparently seems to have had no effect on his supporters because Labour MP Diana Johnson has said she received a threatening email saying:

    “Six months after the vote on bombing Syria the Labour party members will lobby in the constituency Labour parties to move a vote of no confidence at constituency meetings in those Labour party MPs who vote to bomb Syria.
    If the vote of no confidence is carried, the MPs can then limp on until their selection at the next general election when they will be deselected. During the four-year period in the run-up to the next general election, the whole country will know of the no confidence in the MPs from their Labour party constituencies. That is the least the Labour party members will do to try to wash the blood from their hands of the innocent civilians which the bombs will surely kill.”

    Labour MPLiz Kendall has also been on the receiving end of abuse when she received a message saying there needed to be “a final solution" which referred to her as "Blairite scum” who needed to be purged from the party.


    Backbench Labour MP John Mann who has been against the airstrikes has also received threatening and abusive emails and said the Labour leader should deal with the people sending them:

    “The level of abuse over the last four months is on a totally, totally different scale from anything ever before. It is directly linked to people purporting to support Jeremy,” he told PA. “He should remove this intolerant minority. They have no place in a progressive leftwing party. None of them have been disciplined yet, nevermind expelled and he should start doing so.”
    “It is deliberate bullying. I have received tweets and emails, some are random but some seem to be orchestrated by groups both inside and outside the party.
    Threats of deselection are at the mild end of it. There is every kind of name-calling you can think of. There is no place in the Labour party for people who are going to abuse others in the run-up to an important debate and vote.”

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  2. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    I agree totally with John Mann
    Sure the debate was and is one that is likely to stir up a lot of emotions but any member who threatens another in this manner has no place in the Labour Party and should be expelled
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  3. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    I wonder if they will have a go at Hilary Benn too. Just watched his full speech on the beeb, and he made some valid points IMO
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  4. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I thought Hilary Benn was one of the few politicians to come out of that debate with any dignity.
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  5. Cantandmorecant

    Cantandmorecant Lead commenter

    Hilary Benn has received some of the most intense abuse.
  6. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    Apologies. I wasn't aware. The above MPs have been on the beeb news all day, but I didn't notice Benn being mentioned.
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    A glance at twitter suggests this might be a full-on Labour civil war.
  8. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Fine speech by Benn

    Bit like Blair's before Iraq...

    I was more disgusted by Cameron calling anyone disagreeing with him a terrorist sympathiser. I thought that was possibly the cheapest and most classless thing I've heard a senior politician say. It was poor regardless, but given the situation and the recent history of catastrophic interventions, it was below the belt, and quite stupid.
  9. cally1980

    cally1980 Established commenter

    I agree that there is no place for the abuse but I disagree with the implication that it is only Corbyn supporters. Where is the evidence for this claim other than people saying so?
  10. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    I don't do twitter; perhaps I should sign up.

    I remember as a young lefty, the various strands all hated each other tremendously!
    (Trots/Stalinists/Socialist Libertarians/Leninists etc..................)
  11. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    I think Blairite scum is a bit below the belt too! (See op)
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  12. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    MP's are their constituents representatives and not party delegates.

    I expected my MP to listen to the arguments on issues like this and make their mind up from that. I do not expect them to vote as I would like every time. I am very worried by this lack of tolerance seen particularly in the Labour party.


    I am unimpressed by Ken Livingstones comments on deselection.

    Vote as we say or else?
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  13. cally1980

    cally1980 Established commenter

    Ken is completely ridiculous. I thought is was great that there was a free vote and so MPs could vote based on their own views and that of constituents.
  14. Cantandmorecant

    Cantandmorecant Lead commenter

    Hilary Benn, son of the late Tony Benn, has been on the receiving end of some of the most intense abuse among the group of sixty six Labour MPs for his stance on Syrian airstrikes. An extreme left wing faction within the Labour party has said the Labour MPs are legitimate targets for deselection. Benn has been accused of bringing shame on his late father.

    One member of this faction and backer of Corbyn is former London mayor Ken Livingstone who said on LBC radio that a 'kinder' politics is ok but, “If I had an MP who had voted to bomb Syria then I would be prepared to support someone who was challenging them, as long as they were good on the other issues."

    Labour MPs have been lobbied by Stop The War, a campaign group chaired by Jeremy Corbyn until recently, and Momentum, a movement set up by Corbyn supporters after the leadership campaign.
    After the vote the Stop the War Coalition criticised the “whining complaints from those MPs who apparently do not like being lobbied”.

    Deselection was being openly discussed by Momentum grassroots groups on Facebook which targeted pro airstrikes Labour MPs Harriet Harman and Neil Coyle in Southwark, Chucka Umunna in Lambeth and Heidi Alexander and Jim Dowd in Lewisham.

    Labour MPs have called on Corbyn to show a tougher line with two MPs saying on the Today programme that Corbyn was effectively permitting the bullying and abuse by failing to deal with Labour activists threats to MPs.

    Labour MP Wes Streeting who voted against airstrikes told the BBC:

    “Given how much this is being facilitated by Momentum and the organisation set up in the wake of Jeremy’s leadership campaign, I don’t believe that Jeremy Corbyn as an individual somehow encourages the bullying of Labour MPs, but I think at the moment he’s in danger of permitting it by not showing strong enough leadership and clamping down on this.

    “It’s completely inconceivable for anyone to argue that there hasn’t been a well-organised, systematic and well-resourced attempt to bully MPs into voting against airstrikes on Syria.”

    Labour MP Ann Coffey,who voted in favour of airstrikes, said she has received messages calling her a “warmonger” and a “red Tory” and warning that she would have “blood on her hands”, which she believes is from an email account previously associated with Momentum.

    “If you have that at the top of the party, what you have is permission to target MPs, permission has been given to target us,” she said.

  15. Cantandmorecant

    Cantandmorecant Lead commenter

    It looks like it.
  16. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    I remember the split with the gang of four and creation of the Social Democratic Party SDP. I worry that something similar could happen again.
    Perhaps the Liberals weren't clutching at straws after being reduced to a dodgeball team, that Labour MPs could join them?
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  17. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Threats and intimidation? Why not? Works in Venezuela...
    HoratioBlows and Nac_Milevu like this.
  18. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Not so well in (what used to be) Iraq though
  19. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Well, I haven't tweeted any abuse but when it comes to selection-time I shall make a point of asking what the candidates' views on airstrikes are and were.

    And, if our sitting MP were Labour, I'd be examining his/her record very closely and then make a considered decision on whether or not to seek their deselection. If my fellow-members agreed with me that we could find someone better to perform the task of representing us then I would expect to be able to dismiss (or whatever the correct terminology may be) the incumbent.

    Does an MP expect a job for life? Are we duty-bound to give them carte blanche once elected? At grass-roots level there's little appetite for war. It's possible that some of them may need to seek further employment. Possible. After the usual labyrinthine procedures.
  20. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    The proof will be in the pudding.

    If everything goes well, and ISIS are severely hampered and set-back (if not defeated) and "Syria" ends up with some form of reasonably-functioning democratically elected government, then the decision to get involved in armed conflict will have been the right one.

    If it goes a bit mental, then it won't have been such a good decision.

    Time will tell.
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