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Labour MPs need their heads tested if they vote for the Dumb Deal...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    John Mann has long ceased to be a serious politician but the other MPs cosying up to her given the atrocious record of this government really begs me to ask if they can sleep well at night? This deal is ridiculously stupid for Britain. Even Len McCluskey who I like is playing a dangerous game.
     
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    What are they going to vote for then ?
     
  3. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    Right now, it's a binary choice. The EU deal or no deal.
     
  4. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Not this deal. There is a majority for leaving the EU and staying in a customs union and single market. Or they can force through a second referendum. People are allowed to change their mind. People were once for Slavery and against women’s votes. You have to fight for what you believe in. In my opinion of course Peakers!
     
  5. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    No it’s not though. She says it is. It is not binary.
     
  6. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    it will never be an option, staying in the customs union and single market is known as remaining in the EU., which would be fine by me.
    Right now, there are no other options (unless thay are secret ones).
     
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  7. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Ridiculous, simplistic, and wrong.
     
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  8. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I think you can still do that like Norway?
     
  9. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    Norway and the other EFTA countries are not in the customs union and are in the single market(4 freedoms pre-requisite)
    Turkey is in the customs union and not in the single market.
     
  10. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Not today no but there ARE when this deal gets defeated.
     
  11. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Well we can be in both bad still be out of the EU
     
  12. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    I suppose we could, although it is unprecedented.
    I suspect it would be the same as being in the EU but without any MEPs, wouldn't you agree?
     
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  13. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Well perhaps it will satisfy the Leavers whilst keeping jobs and the environment in tact? A much better compromise than the sell out proposed by May
     
  14. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    I think remaining on the same terms devoid of representation would be as unaccepatable to MPs as the current one. It's certainly a worse option that just remaining in the EU as we do with EU+.
    I also think being out of the EU and in the single market and customs union might also require us to join Schengen,
     
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  15. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    And since people changed their minds we've gone to hell in a handcart.
     
  16. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Dont know what you mean
     
  17. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    This has been a completely disastrous situation for this country. Parliament should have decided what deal it wanted FIRST, then put it to the people if they had to, and I was against the referendum. To ask the people a question to leave or stay without knowing what leave meant was grossly irresponsible from our elected representatives. Hence where we are now. Seeing as parliament does NOT know what it wants is an inevitable consequence of this crisis created by them. But now they have a chance to take control of the situation and vote this deal down and debate whstvto do next by extending Article 50 at least. There is NO binary choice. Article 50 can be and probably will be extended.
     
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  18. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    The UK cannot extend article 50 only cancel it. It requires the unanimous vote of the EU27 to extend, when requested.
    That will also have a knock on effect to the May Euro elections. Seats have already been reallaocated but one would expect in any extension the UK would be included. I think it would be a major obstacle to any extension. That said, I don't know if an extension would solve anything, other than more time to prepare for no deal.
     
  19. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Again I would say you make good points. Shows how complicated it’s all become. I wonder if we will ever leave the EU? Could be one long extension of article 50. I just can’t see no deal now happening, given the mood in the House. I can’t see the May Deal being accepted. So that’s why a soft brexit with the EU accepting an extension to A50 is the only sensible outcome of where we are at now.
     
  20. sodalime

    sodalime Established commenter

    Would it allow enough time for Labour to form, you know, an actual opposition party? :rolleyes:
     

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