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Labour in 2020...we need an electable leader

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Jan 1, 2020.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I know I have been very tribal and pro Corbyn. I won’t apologise for that. But we lost. We didn’t take the people with us. We need to now regroup, stop all the attacks going on and elect a leader who can stand up to Johnson and not push a narrative that will let them off the hook. For that, it has to be someone NOT associated with Jeremy. That’s my bottom line. Oh for a John Smith type figure...

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter


    I have to admit I could live with any of these as Leader (except maybe Jess Phillips whom I dislike with a passion for reasons I'm not quite sure of myself). Personally I'm a big Keir Starmer supporter - he seems to me to have the gravitas and is emphasising his centre-of-the-Party position to hold it together. He also has quite radical ideas which should keep the Left on board without scaring off the Blairite neoliberals. I will also be supporting Angela Rayner for Deputy.
  3. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Keir Starmer is someone I have admired for some time yes. Reminds me a lot about John Smith. Rayner too is very able.
  4. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Red, where do you think that the leader needs to stand? Centre, Centre Left or Far Left?

    Also where do you think that they need stand on Brexit? This was obviously a major reason why many Northern constituencies voted Conservative in the recent election.

    I am interested in your views as you are a committed Labour supporter. Even though I am in the other side of the political fence I firmly believe that we need a strong opposition to keep the government in check. With, in my opinion, Corbyn having no authority this will not happen until there is a strong leader in place. I agree with Maga that Kier Starmer has the gravitas needed but he needs to change his views on our relationship with the EU before many in the North return to the Labour fold.... if they ever do.
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  5. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    A brave post, @red_observer.

    A government without a credible and strong opposition to hold it to account is a very undesirable and potentially risky situation.

    All the very best for 2020.
  6. Brunel

    Brunel Lead commenter

    I guess if there’s one advantage to come out of the electoral fiasco for Labour it’s that it won’t be nearly as difficult for a future leader to position the party on Brexit. By the time they become leader we’ll be out of the EU and although the next few years will be full of trade negotiations etc, Labour can revert to “you’re making a pig’s ear of it” type of opposition without being seen as saboteurs or traitors. Although I’m not wholly convinced by Starmer, if he plays his cards right his opposition to Brexit shouldn’t be much of an issue.
  7. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Labour party membership, first preference for leader:

    K. Starmer: 31%
    R. Long Bailey: 20%
    J. Phillips: 11%
    Y. Cooper: 7%
    C. Lewis: 7%
    E. Thornberry: 6%
    L. Nandy: 5%

    via @YouGov
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  8. friedgreentomatoes

    friedgreentomatoes Star commenter

    Personally, I would go for Keir Starmer as leader with Jess Phillips as deputy.
    red_observer, JL48 and install like this.
  9. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Lavery/Burgon could be the dream ticket some are seeking.
  10. eleanorms

    eleanorms Occasional commenter

    I'm left of centre and didn't vote Labour this time round because our old mp had left the party and I did not approve of the way our new labour candidate was chosen centrally, or their agenda for our constituency. I like Starmer's position but think he will be seen as having fingers in too many slightly suspect political pies from his Prosecuter days. Personally feel a Long Bailey and Rayner leadership will consign Labour to the opposition for the next fifteen years, but that's my opinion and happy to be proved wrong.
  11. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    I think that she would be a terrible choice. She reminds me of Bernadette from the Big Bang Theory:

  12. Brunel

    Brunel Lead commenter

    You’re just being naughty, aren’t you?
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  13. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    If Labour adopt policies that are friendly towards the establishment elite, they may have a very slim chance of getting in.

    However, those policies will be no good for the planet or the poor, for starters.

    The world is changing rapidly. Don't think things are set in stone for five years. They certainly aren't.

    Before long people will be demanding something different - something that addresses the climate emergency and the breakdown of public services.
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  14. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Laura Parker.
    Emina Ibrahim.
    Cecile Wright.
    James Schneider.
  15. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I find it hard to believe that the 300,000 votes the Corbyn achieved will switch to Starmer. Chalk v cheese
    (If Pidcock had kept her seat she would be in the mix.)
  16. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Labour need to get back to it's roots. A socialist party for working class people. Sir Keir Starmer an arch remainer and architect of Labour's disastrous brexit policy is certainly not that person.

    Ian Lavery is the man.
  17. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    My point confirmed
  18. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Better than an Oyster card. The Unite/Momentum duality deal.

    But how do you tell them it's no longer valid?

    Yvette Cooper is getting out of the race because she knows it's not about the candidates.
  19. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Clear water, clear water, clear water.

    Time, time, time.

    Decades, decades, decades.
  20. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    I am in agreement with what @red_observer says here. In terms of one of the options mentioned I'm being very careful about any opinion I might express... with good reason.
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