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Labour after Corbyn.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Neil Kinnock...

    Corbyn must resign as Labour leader within a maximum of two months and “own” the party’s worst electoral defeat of the post-war era, Kinnock has said.

    As Johnson was returned to Downing Street on Friday with the greatest Tory majority since Thatcher’s 1987 landslide, the former Labour leader warned party members not to “seek excuses or alibis” in an attempt to explain the crushing defeat.

    And in comments apparently intended as a warning to the party not to select another leader in Corbyn’s mould, Kinnock said his successor must embody “patriotic” values and restore Labour’s credibility as a “party of security”.

    Blunkett...

    Former Home Secretary Blunkett has launched a scathing attack on Corbyn and the "childish cult" he blames for Labour's election wipeout.

    Blunkett, who held three cabinet positions under Blair, has accused Corbyn of betraying the party and allowing himself to be roundly defeated by a Prime Minister who is "universally distrusted, disrespected and ridiculed".

    Pulling no punches, Mr Blunkett quoted Oliver Cromwell, telling the current Labour leader: "In the name of God, go!"

    David Miliband...

    Miliband has accused Corbyn of abandoning Labour voters after the party’s crushing defeat in the General Election.

    The former Labour MP and leadership candidate hit out at Corbyn on Twitter. He said: “Corbyn and Corbynism abandoned Labour voters long before they abandoned him. They were literally repelled by a program that could not be delivered and leader who could not be trusted. Everything else is denial.”

    So, where to now for Corbyn?

    Should be go before next Wednesday's PMQs, when he will be mocked mercilessly, or should he said until the PLP has gone through the processes of a new leadership election?
     
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  2. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Clearly that is his decision but as you say he is no doubt wrangling with his response to the result and the accusations you site above. Truth is I doubt it matters whether he resigns now or after Christmas but those critics should have stood firm earlier, not wait till now to voice their concerns it's too late, far too late... Yes they'd risk being alienated but they'd have done the right thing in calling JC on his dogmatic indoctrinated narrow,. and misguided approach and they might have been electable had they looked to the people they needed to persuade instead of consistently preaching to their own congregation.
     
  3. --Badger--

    --Badger-- Occasional commenter

    The only hope for the Labour party is for Corbyn to stick around long enough to get open selection of MPs through. The Labour party will not be a fighting force until all the middle-class centrist/liberals are gone. They got rid of Chukka and Berger but it was too little too late. Get rid of the rest and replace with people from a working class background who have a better understanding of the people the party should be representing. Corbyn's policies were popular as the 2017 election showed. It was his poor handling of Brexit where he listened to the Lady 'white van man' Nugees , Sir Keir Starmers and Hilary Benns of this world all of them born with silver spoons in their mouths and with no idea about how ordinary working class people live.

    Only a fool would think any of these 3 would win the working class back.
     
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  4. Morninglover

    Morninglover Lead commenter


    The three most successful leaders of the Labour Party?

    Clem Attlee;
    Harold Wilson;
    Tony Blair;

    Which one was a horny handed son of toil?
     
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  5. newposter

    newposter Occasional commenter

    The critics should perhaps have been braver earlier, but remember that Momentum and Corbyn's inner sanctum is notorious for its vindictiveness and intolerance. They have driven out anybody who dared to disagree.
     
  6. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Corbyn has now said that he won't go until the spring - presumably, I suspect, to give Jon Lansman and Momentum time to replace both Corbyn and McDonnell with more of the same. Meanwhile, Johnson is clearly sweeping into the middle ground, ensuring that it will be many years, if ever, before we see another Labour government.
     
  7. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Yes indeed, we should remember that the only time Labour has won real power in the last 40 years was when they got rid of those middle-class centrist/liberals and elected Tony Blair as leader. Oh, hang on, is that right....? He only managed to hang on as Prime Minister for 10 years so I suppose that doesn't really count.
     
  8. --Badger--

    --Badger-- Occasional commenter

    That wasn't Labour. That was the Red Tory Party. Everyone knows that. Real Labour haven't been in power since the 1970's
     
  9. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    It's the only one that wins.
     
  10. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    That firebrand far left socialist Harold Wilson? Or do you have Callaghan in mind?
     
  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Ah the best of times

    /s
     
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  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I’m still physically and emotionally sick after Thursdays result.
    I have been a Corbyn supporter and share the values he has. But we now must change. We accept the result of the election and adjust accordingly.
    For me that means sticking with whet we believe in but realising that a Labour member is not a labour voter and people aren’t interested at the moment in ideological issues just what is more important to them. It doesn’t mean swallowing Tory short term populist ideas or anything about so called Tory values. It means getting into power by reasonating with our core and other voters. We also have to be true to our socialist values and for the first time to elect a woman leader. For me that would be Angela Rayner or yes Jess Phillips. someone who can connect. I’m not going to pour vitriol on Jeremy so let’s now move on and challenge this hideously right wing Tory government
     
  13. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    There is a great picture of the centrists doing the rounds...

    Every one of them gone. Voted out by angry Leave voters.

    If people are going to stick with politics (my own opinion is that we are in for some major changes and people will move away from traditional politics) then Labour need a leader that is acceptable to Murdoch, the media and the BBC etc. However, the policies that would require, fall very, very short of where we are as a nation.

    The dilemmas of late capitalism.

    Don't worry, change is coming. Not the one you expect though!
     
  14. --Badger--

    --Badger-- Occasional commenter

    Both are political behemoths in comparison to Nugee/Benn/Starmer/Phillips
     
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  15. --Badger--

    --Badger-- Occasional commenter

    NHS was in great shape. Plenty of council houses. Houses to buy were reasonably priced. Wife (or husband) could stay at home to look after house/kids as households could run on only one salary. Students received finances to study at university and didn't leave uni weighed down by debt. Decent working conditions. No zero hours contracts. No food banks.

    Lot to like about the 70's. Today's youngsters would give their eyeteeth for some of that list.

    And Elvis Presley was in the charts. (nearly forgot that one)
     
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  16. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    The young will be the change.

    It's already started.
     
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  17. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Wasn't it Milliband who introduced the cut price 'registered supporters' fee that allowed pretty much anyone and their dog to vote in the leadership contest that put Jeremy Corbyn in place?

    Reap what you sow, Wallace. :)
     
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  18. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    No, the young won't. They never have been.

    It hasn't.
     
  19. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    https://wellcomecollection.org/articles/WyjRuCcAACvGno__

    ...of run down quality... and new ones were built in the Radburn style which encouraged crime.

    Yup agreed

    Not quite sure how that is a good thing...

    And if we reduced student numbers back down to 1970s levels we could do so again... but our economy doesn't work that way anymore.
    And he died in 1977...


    Sorry have to go out... would engage more properly otherwise.
     
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