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‘Knife arches normalise carrying knives’ and are not the answer

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

    A teaching union rep believes that the introduction of arches in schools could encourage children to carry knives on the streets:

    ‘A teaching union representative has said that it is better that one child is stabbed than to have schools erect knife detector arches.

    Redbridge National Education Union joint divisional secretary Kash Malik spoke after the council in the East London borough announced plans to put knife arches and detecting wands in secondary schools.

    “Knife arches are not the answer," he told the Ilford Recorder. "I have never been in favour of them and schools shouldn’t have to worry about it, it should be an environment where you should be focusing on studying.’

    What do you think? Do you agree? Do you think it would be detrimental step to have knife arches on school grounds? Would it make you feel safer knowing that children were checked/scanned for weapons before they went to lessons?


    The branch officer has been suspended following his comments: https://www.tes.com/news/neu-suspends-official-over-better-one-child-stabbed-comment
  2. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    The things worse than having a child in your care stabbed are all even more horrendous, I'll stick with two children stabbed.
    This is the sort of thing that brings the union into disrepute - we can all see the red top headlines tomorrow.
    In an ideal world, no knife arches would be necessary. We all know that.
    Knives are unacceptable other than in a kitchen, workshop and other places of proper use. I do not think that knife arches in schools will particularly leave to "more knives outside" - if they do, then we need to rethink what we do outside, and that is a job for society not just teachers.
  3. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Was the union guy suspended because he disagreed with the LA's plan to install knife arches? Or because he prefaced it with the ridiculous comment about "better that one child is stabbed"? I got the impression it was the latter.

    Do all/any unions actually have a formal policy that all secondary schools should have knife arches?
  4. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    I have quite a bit of experience of schools in Chicago. They all have body scanner arches and x ray machines for bags. Kids line up to enter the school and anyone pinging the scanner is patted down by hired security staff. It seems an imposition but it means that schools are (relatively) safe spaces for the kids compared to the neighbourhoods many of them come from. They also have strict rules about dress especially garments/colours linked to gangs. All students carry photo ID and it has to be worn high up so staff do not have to bend to read it. In addition Security patrol the halls (corridors) during lesson times. All rooms have locking doors and tardy students are locked out and swept up by security. They also have a 5 minute lesson changeover time so no-one has an excuse to be late. Have you ever wondered why, in American movies, the kids stand up and leave at the bell? That's because they are not allowed to be tardy to the next class. Their system is not perfect but it sometimes makes more sense than ours.
  5. Teslasmate

    Teslasmate Occasional commenter

    It sound similar to a secure unit in the uk. How terribly sad it's normal for over there.
    Stiltskin and phlogiston like this.
  6. adam_nichol

    adam_nichol Occasional commenter

    Knife arches normalise carrying knives, in exactly the same way that ticket barriers on the train normalise travelling without a ticket.........
    phlogiston likes this.
  7. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    :eek:Sounds like detention camps.
  8. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Quite the opposite. The schools are vibrant places where the kids don't feel threatened

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