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Kindness and humour are the characteristics of a great teacher, according to pupils

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. teselectronic

    teselectronic Occasional commenter

    I agree with hhhh, kindness should be measured by the 'learning outcome', not the kindness I would suggest, they are quoting!
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  2. ABCCBA123321

    ABCCBA123321 Occasional commenter

    My superficial and fickle as hell eldest daughter has declared her current pair of teachers the best ever because "one wears lovely twirly dresses" and the other "has a really nice necklace."

    Possible new Ofsted criteria? Twirlyness of dresses graded from Outstanding to Special Measures? (I'd be in special measures without a doubt!)
    Alice K and Catgirl1964 like this.
  3. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    I remember a TES survey that rated 'integrity' as the characteristic they most sought in a teacher. Times have changed or perhaps the quality of respondents has fallen.
    Alice K likes this.
  4. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    And, what will the ladies be wearing? :)
  5. camillagallop

    camillagallop New commenter

    You do realise kids are people, right? They’re not stupid. Stop putting words in their mouths, and stop assuming you “know better” just because you’re older than them.
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  6. camillagallop

    camillagallop New commenter

    But that’s not *because* they are kind. That’s because, as you put it, they can’t “control” their classes. I’m sure there are teachers out there who are horrible and cruel but still can’t “control” their classes. Your logic is mercilessly flawed and sows fear in the hearts of kind, excellent teachers the world over. Please stop.
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  7. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    This reminds me of a couple of lads who thought a particularly useless maths teacher was good. Of course it had nothing to do with her being easy on the eye:D.
  8. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    I was merely saying that kindness is not the be all and end all. But okay, consider me stopped.
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  9. ABCCBA123321

    ABCCBA123321 Occasional commenter

    One of my kids' teachers is the sweetest, bubbliest, nicest-natured people ever. Absolutely takes NO nonsense whatsoever behaviour-wise. It can be done. Hell they've brought my eldest into line pretty sharpish and my eldest's behaviour can be "challenging" (not as in the "will fling across the chairs" definition but more the "Vicky Pollard in training - needs sitting on at regular intervals" definition of it)!

    Eldest adores her!
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  10. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Another thing that should be remembered is that while girls often appreciate kindness, and will go the extra mile for a kind teacher, boys see it as a sign of weakness, and will eagerly test the limits of this perceived weakness. Having taught in an all-boys and all-girls school, that were a stone's throw from each other, I speak from experience.
    Alice K likes this.
  11. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Integrity means you won't cheat to up the exam results so that's out the windae these days.
    Alice K likes this.
  12. dleaf12

    dleaf12 Senior commenter

    No, they aren't yet "people" in the fullest sense of the word. They are potential "people" that are still being socialised and educated to have the skills, manners and ability to take their rightful places in society. They are not yet adults, but kids have agency. They can choose their actions and motivations. These do not always align with the actions and motivations of their teachers and other adults whose job it is to equip them to function as fully integrated and effective members of society. This potential miss-match means that whilst their words do warrant respect, care and attention, sometimes an older and more experienced person does know better.
    Alice K, henrypm0 and Catgirl1964 like this.
  13. camillagallop

    camillagallop New commenter

    Yes, it is. If you're not kind, why would you even be a teacher? Why would you want to work with children? If you're a horrible person, what is the point of you? Go and work in a bank.
  14. camillagallop

    camillagallop New commenter

    So, if children aren't people, when do they become people? What age, exactly? Can we pinpoint the moment at which they deserve to take their "rightful" places in society? Who decides? Do you decide? What about all the adults who are seen to have forfeited their right to be "people" by murdering other people? Do they deserve a rightful place in society over a child?

    Do not deign to tell anyone whether or not they are human. You have no right to make that decision. It's been done before, and it never ends well.
  15. dleaf12

    dleaf12 Senior commenter

    Reductio ad absurdam is not a helpful argument technique in this case. Taking the extreme of a nuanced position just ducks the point. I didn't say "Children aren't people" I said they aren't yet people in the fullest sense. You ignore that my words describe a process that children are undergoing that leads to them being "people" in the fullest sense.
    Perhaps you and I are using the word "people" differently? In this context I mean fully part of adult society, with all the rights and responsibilities that entails. Since this is a process, and human beings are not deterministic mechanisms it is not sensible to seek an exact pinpoint moment in time. There are however some general pointers.

    The law says 10 years old for some purposes, 16 for others and 18 for most things. I expect we could all think of individual cases where these are not appropriate. Other cultures and jurisdictions have other ages, but all agree on one thing: Children are not adults and should therefore be treated differently, but there comes a time when this special status ends and they are expected to assume the full rights and responsibilities of adults.

    No I don't decide. Society decides.

    Murderers do forfeit some rights, but not the right to be considered an adult member of society, however monstrous, they are still humans. There is no conflict between the deserving of a rightful place in society of a murderer or a child - that is a false dilemma. Each has their deserved (and rightful) place.

    I never have and never would. In any case that is a matter of biological fact.

    I have never asserted that right.
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  16. Girlfromthenorthcountry

    Girlfromthenorthcountry New commenter

    I think we get it wrong when we associate kindness with being a pushover. The kindest person I know is my husband, part of that kindness is challenging me about things I've said or done - infact, I'd let all my friends (and even colleagues) challenge me - I'm an adult, it's up to me how I respond then.

    As a teacher, I see my responsibility is to educate and give opportunities for young people to ask questions, get it wrong/right.. sometimes come to a different conclusion then the one I like... and then start all over again. I can go a bit 'dead poets society' if I think about it for too long!!

    For Andrew Motion, kindness, amongst other things, gets a mention...

    In Memory of Peter Way
    My teacher, who reached down inside my head
    and turned the first lights on. Who gave me Keats
    to read, which turned on more. Who made me
    read. Who made me write. Who made me argue
    for the truth in things themselves. Who told me
    manners maketh man. Who let me question
    even the things he said himself were true.
    Who gave my life to me, by which I mean
    the things I chose and not inheritance.
    Who showed a quiet voice can carry far.
    Who took the gratitude I owed to him
    and changed it into friendship. Who was kind.
    My teacher, who died yesterday at peace –
    his hardest lesson and the last of these.
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  17. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    I'm glad Ofsted didn't have baldness of head and size of beer belly as criteria!
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  18. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    I think the survey itself is ridiculous and suspect that those are NOT the qualities the kids would say they expected from MAT bosses. In fact, they wouldn’t even do a survey on MAT boozes because everyone would say how psychotic, unkind and humourless they all are.
  19. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    Lol. My kind husband works in a bank! Not appreciating the implication here.
    As you say, if you are kind work as a teacher, almost if not all teachers are kind, or they would not do it. Something else is needed on top. Great expositon. Fantastic humour. Creativity. Patience. Stamina. Ability to cope with the unexpected. Fearlessness. Fearfulness. Honesty. Self control. Independence. Passion. So much more.
  20. camillagallop

    camillagallop New commenter

    Apologies for the implication. It seems to me however that it might be much easier to work in a bank if one isn’t a kind person, because of the nature of the profession. That is just my opinion.

    Not all teachers are kind. Those who agree with child abuse are not kind. I have met many teachers who are not kind. Some teachers are teachers not because they care about children, but because they want power and control over others, and they’ve found that it’s easy to have power and control over those considered the lowest form of human in our society.

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