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"jumping" up the MPS

Discussion in 'Pay and conditions' started by twoshoes86, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. twoshoes86

    twoshoes86 New commenter

    I am considering approaching my Headteacher about moving up the MPS and wondered whether I could have some advice on whether I should, and the way I should approach it.

    Prior to coming into teaching I worked for three years as an tax advisor for a Big 4. Then did a year as an unqualified teacher teaching History and covering other lessons as my teaching timetable was only 0.4

    Last year, I started Teach First and completed my PGCE and was paid as UQT 2.

    This September, as an NQT I should go onto MPS1.

    However, I am considering asking for MPS3 given I now have two years as an unqualified teacher.

    Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
     
  2. twoshoes86

    twoshoes86 New commenter

    I am considering approaching my Headteacher about moving up the MPS and wondered whether I could have some advice on whether I should, and the way I should approach it.

    Prior to coming into teaching I worked for three years as an tax advisor for a Big 4. Then did a year as an unqualified teacher teaching History and covering other lessons as my teaching timetable was only 0.4

    Last year, I started Teach First and completed my PGCE and was paid as UQT 2.

    This September, as an NQT I should go onto MPS1.

    However, I am considering asking for MPS3 given I now have two years as an unqualified teacher.

    Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
     
  3. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    The time to ask for higher than M1 pay is at the interview stage when you are offered the job.
    The school will now have organised their staff budget for the next school year.
    You will also not be alone as an NQT in having done Cover Supervisor, TA or Learning mentor work prior to qualifying and many will be having to return to those positions as there are more unemployed teachers around than there are vacancies.
    Don't now make things awkward at the start of your qualified career by attempting to get a higher salary. It will be awkward for both sides if they turn you down. It will be awkward for you if you manage to extract more money and then hit problems in your Induction year.
     
  4. henriette

    henriette New commenter

    A few years ago, one of our NQTs managed to start her 2nd year on M3 as she had receievd Outstanding for every single observation and her files were so well organised and the abundant evidence so well documented that the Governers approved a skip. (I know it went to governors because one of them let me know it was on the agenda and asked my opinion as her HoD).
    Other than that, I know of no NQT who has started on higher than M1, no matter how long they have worked as UQT/CS/TA/LSA ...whatever.
     
  5. scientist555

    scientist555 New commenter

    You have to have mentioned this at the interview stage and stated whether you were asking if it would be possible to start higher than M1 or if you would only accept the position if you could start higher than M1.

    I would agree with the other posts and leave it at that for this school. When you go for a position at another school in the future you could ask this at interview.

    Also remember being on M1 means you are cheaper than more experienced teachers for school. If you teach for 3 years you will be on M3 and could apply for a TLR. You would then cost less than a teacher who went for the position on M5 (which is where you would be if you start on M3).
     
  6. Fizzbobble

    Fizzbobble Occasional commenter

    I asked for another point on MPS for my NQT year (which starts in about 3 weeks!). I got it too; in light of having a PhD. The head wrote to me and said that the governers approve another point for every three years of higher study or industry experience at a professional level. I didn't ask at interview either; I asked later on. It took them a long time to get back to me about it but if you don't ask, you don't get. Then again, they ignored my industry experience (not 3 years long) and having a PhD in a shortage subject is quite rare.
     
  7. MrGator

    MrGator New commenter

    During my NQT year, I was employed by a school just out of special measures. I was offered M2, but, negotiated due to distance, to start on M3. However, the school was abysmal, so much so, that I applied for a job in a local school in my first half term - In the interview the Head mentioned me as an NQT being on M3 and asked if I would be happy to accept M1 if offered. I said I would accept M1, due to having no travel expenses but was offered the post at M2.

    I must stress however, that in both cases, these were negotiated at interview stage. I had previous experience as a graduate manager and a subject specialism enhancement course which enabled me to offer an additional subject at GCSE and A-Level.

    This was two years ago though, and the school economic climate has changed somewhat - Good luck!
     
  8. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    The rules are supposed to prevent another school placing you on a paypoint lower than one you have previously been paid on.
     
  9. You've been short changed Fizzbobble as I started my NQT year on MPS 3 without even having to ask. I was successful in the interview for my first job fully expecting to start on MPS 1 and at no stage discussed salary with anyone. To my great delight when I was given my contract I found out they were starting me on MPS 3. Noboby ever told why they had done this or even mentioned the fact. I can only assume I was started on MPS 3 because I had a PhD. I'd done some part time teaching at a college while doing my PhD, but no other industry experience apart from that. Its nice because I'm now on UPS3 two years earlier than I should have been, and as UPS is to be abolished next year I probably would not have reached UPS 3 if I hadn't started on MPS 3.
     
  10. MrGator

    MrGator New commenter

    I did check this with James Williams on here and my union (regional office) at the time and apparently as an NQT and not having not completed induction, the school could offer what they wanted. In hindsight, I'm sure this is incorrect, as STPC applied.
    What's done is done though and very happy in the school I moved to!
     

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