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JoJo quits over Brexit

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Duke of York, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Jo Johnson, brother of Boris, has quit the government, believing the public need another say about leaving the EU.

    It's going to be a fun family Christmas for the pair of them, ain't it?
  2. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Calls for another referendum...a People's vote! ;)

    The MP, who is Boris Johnson's brother, said the UK was "barrelling towards an incoherent Brexit that is going to leave us trapped in a subordinate relationship to the EU".

    It was "imperative" to "go back to the people and check they are content to proceed on this extraordinary basis".

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  3. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    The 2nd referendum is both silly and a waste as should it come back the people vote again to leave, such a vote will be disrespected as it is now.

    The Tories should just get us out as they promised to do and then await the verdict in a GE. At the moment they are making it very easy for Corbyn as they seem to be going to a GE trying to sell us 'Brexit means Brexit' really meant' Brexit meant Remain'.

    Whether the votes will go to Corbyn remains to be seen but why would anyone voting leave cast a vote for the Tories if they keep us in the EU in all but name?

    If they get us out then even if it all went pear shaped and was the end of the world as we are (again) promised, at least they can argue at election time they respected the vote.
  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Jo Johnson appears to be recommending a three-way referendum, with two of the three choices being leave, which the Electoral Commission is extremely unlikely to agree to, and (like all who want a second referendum) he fails to address the point that there is now not enough time to legislate for one before the 29th March.

    Also, I can make no sense of his claim that it would be about "asking people whether they want to go ahead with Brexit now that we know the deal that is actually available to us ..." . Well Mr johnson, you might know (although I doubt it) but the British people most certainly don't know what the deal is.
  5. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    If should certainly be lively if strongly remain sister Rachel and remainer turned brexiteer dad Stanley come too .
  6. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Please Mr Barnier, can we stay in?
  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    If a vote decided, now we know what the actual options are, (Remain, Chequers version?, No Deal etc), to Leave I think most remainers would accept that. I would certainly.
  8. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    None of these are "options" that the EU has agreed to. We do not yet know what the deal on offer will be.
  9. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Neither do they bear any resemblance to what the country was promised at the referendum. The entire fiasco has had nothing whatsoever to do with the best interests of Britain, inside or outside the EU. It all been about trying to keep the Tory Party intact and about the power struggle within. The Tories have been an absolute disgrace in putting self-interest above national interest.

    Whatever we end up with is going to be a disaster, because there aren't two members of the Tory Party who could agree about two flies walking up a wall and their leader apparently has no ability to bump their heads together until they shut the cluck up and do what needs to be done.

    What do we imagine Churchill would advise May to do in this scenario? Grow a pair?
  10. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    JoJo quits over Brexit.
    Get Back.
  11. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    You would for as last time, you expect(ed) to win the remain vote. Why would the lack of respect for the vote if it goes 'wrong' be any different now, essentially making it as said, a pointless exercise.
  12. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    We had a Minister for Transport? Who knew?
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  13. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    Always ends in misogyny. Obviously it would have been so different with an old white man in charge
  14. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Plenty of evidence that:

    a) Vote Leave & other Brexiteers lied, cheated and broke the law;
    b) We now know far more about the actual costs of Brexit, whether that is a 'deal' or a 'No Deal';
    c) Polls show public opinion has changed, not massively, but enough.

    And, of course, Nigel Farage said before the 2016 referendum that a vote 52:48 to remain would be "unfinished business"...so is a vote 52:48 to leave.
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  15. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Johnson was only in that post for 11 months.
    Prior to that he was Minister for London for a whole 10 months.

    And they say teacher retention is a problem. :rolleyes:
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  16. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    I had never heard of this Johnson until yesterday.

    Having heard an extended interview with him, I wonder if his brother talks as he does in a less-gifted attempt to copy his (Jo's) style?
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  17. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    If UK were to leave the EU without a referendum on the terms of departure, the country would have shifted from a pretence of democracy to full-blown necrocracy.
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  18. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Worth reading:

    A bad Brexit will not be as terrible as the Suez crisis. It will be far worse
    Brexiters have no viable plans of their own, but that won’t stop them casting Mrs May as the villain of this wretched mess


    In this, the Brexiters remind me of the Marxists during the days of the Soviet Union and the excuses they would trot out to explain why the USSR had not turned out to be the workers’ paradise promised by old Karl’s theories. When forced to acknowledge that all the regimes that have governed in the name of Marxism had been a disaster, they would insist that this did not prove that communism was a fatally flawed idea, just that it had never been given a proper try. Just so with the Brexiters. They will protest to the end of days that there was nothing inherently wrong with their concept – it was the execution that was to blame.


    Mrs May could have been 10 times more skilled at negotiating and Britain would very likely be in much the same place as it is now. The younger Johnson characterises it as a choice “between two deeply unattractive outcomes – vassalage and chaos”. At best, Mrs May will present a deal that is humiliatingly worse than the terms we currently enjoy as members of the EU. At worst, Britain will be invited to take the nightmare road that leads over a cliff-edge. This wretched choice will be offered by Mrs May not because she is the most hapless negotiator ever to inhabit Number 10; it is because a happy ending to this story was never available.

    The problem with Brexit is not Theresa May. The problem with Brexit is Brexit.

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