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Join HoY or Return as HoD?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by VeronicAmb, Mar 30, 2016.

  1. VeronicAmb

    VeronicAmb Occasional commenter

    At my current school, I have recently been offered to be Head of Year 7 for the next academic year. But, I am beginning to think if this is the right move for me. But since then, there hasn't been anyone who has applied for HoD and the Subject Leader, English is actually on maternity leave until Sept. She will be returning as SL for English in Sept for part-time. So in theory, right now, there's actually no one running the HoD as such - there is our SL, Media but he has no plans to apply for HoD, English after only securing the SL 2 years ago.

    So, I can either return as HoD or accept the HoY. I feel as though I'm a bit too comfortable to change positions and I am thinking of leaving the profession in 2 years time when my youngest goes off to school for the first time. I resigned in December, and my head as said he has received 1 application for HoD since but he wasn't suitably qualified. Since then, no one has applied. He is getting worried as this Easter is used for the first drafts of timetabling for 16/17. With no-one to actually do it, the dept. is getting a bit restless about what classes and etc they will be having.

    I feel like HoY would be a new challenge for me and it's exciting to think about being responsible for a brand new cohort. However, I feel as though to be HoY, you'd need to stick it out from Year 7 to Year 11 and I know I will not spend more than the next 5 years in teaching. I think it would be unfair to the year group to leave half way through their school career, if that.

    I'm sure if I declined HoY, there's bound to be someone to fill it in. I know the current Achievement Coordinator Year 11 wants HoY7, but she's stuck between that and HoD, Social Sciences.

    I just don't know what to do! I am a little bit sick and tired of the relentless subject meetings, reviews, and all the rest of it in HoD - but I still enjoy 60% of it. I'm a bit reluctant to give up my sixth form tutor group too! But the idea of HoY sounds very new and exciting!

  2. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Do what suits you and your career and leave the headteacher to worry about the rest.
  3. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    I haven't done either.

    You sound very keen on the HoY role though and it would show breadth if you go back to teaching at some point.

    I shouldn't worry about tracking the cohort through to YR11. Not all schools do it this way. There are pros and cons to having the same HoY so don't worry about the kids. They're resilient and the ones who don't like you (yes, there may be some) won't mourn your departure anyway.

    Do you like YR7? Personally I find them immature, irritating and obnoxious beyond belief.

    As for HoD? Are you sure you won't get lumbered with some of those duties in any case?

    Dragonlady30 likes this.
  4. zackeckey

    zackeckey New commenter

    It's totally up-to you, ask the current HoY what it is like and even give it ago yourself. One thing I would do is look at the salary is it higher or lower if higher more reason to take it.
  5. andrew07

    andrew07 Occasional commenter

    I feel the same way as Grumpydogwoman and zackeckey. It really is up to you. I would probably choose Head of Department. I was a Deputy Head for Year 7 for several years and agree with the first response that they are very needy.
    DYNAMO67 likes this.
  6. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    There's a lot of scope to put your mark on a new year 7 - and the induction process that goes with it. Some schools have a permanent Head of Year 7 as it can be quite specialist. (I have to say that the ones I had experience of were too intent on "playing" with the new little ones..... and made their transition too cosy/entertaining and alas not a good tone or start to their progress through the school. One did no admin whatsoever and I was "lucky " enough to pick them up in Year 8 ...Grr.... that person went on to a very protected teaching life and ended up with a Headship. *sighs. So if you are going to do the HoY job make sure you get a good grip on the job/role from the start and set excellent expectations re their work and behaviour! (am sure you will) Be prepared for all the squabbling and falling out that Year 7s do along with the parents who will insist their child is being bullied when it has just fallen out with its friends.
    Are you concerned that you might get "landed" with parts of the HoD role whilst taking on HoY? If that's the case you need to make the boundaries between the jobs quite clear as being a HoY is very time consuming and you can't do both jobs really well (I have been in both roles and gave up Head of PE as soon as I had someone working with me who was well up to the role. )
    wanet likes this.
  7. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    I did both roles and think it helped that I had evidence of transferable skills when I was applying for senior positions. If you are not that ambitious or not looking at the bigger picture then maybe it does not matter what you opt for. I enjoyed being a Head of Faculty more than being a Head of Year although arguably the latter carried more ' status ' which may appeal ?
    DYNAMO67 and grumpydogwoman like this.
  8. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    More strings to your bow.
  9. historicallass

    historicallass New commenter

    My only note of caution would be that in many Academy chains, pastoral positions are wiped out and made non-teaching roles. So if your school is likely to become part of an academy chain, be careful...
  10. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    There is that. Round here they have TAs as HoYs. Pastoral roles are not prestigious.
    rachelpaula008 likes this.
  11. DYNAMO67

    DYNAMO67 Lead commenter

    Is it just me who is totally confused by this post? Can you clarify?

    Are you a HoD who has quit to go to pastoral from September but you are now having second thoughts?

    What were you HoD of, and if the subject leader is not a HoD, what exactly does this role entertain? I don't get it at all. Is the HoD job more of a Head of Faculty? I have got to be honest, this school seems very top heavy with different managerial responsibilities probably doing the same thing.

    You then throw into the mix that you are going to quit in two years?

    To be honest, if this is the case I would stay where i was until I was sure where I was going a few years down the line. I also can't imagine the pay for a HoY being the same as the HoD of what is seemingly English either. With all of these subject leaders knocking about seemingly as well, it would seem you have a lot of support around you in this job. You won't have that in pastoral, trust me!
  12. VeronicAmb

    VeronicAmb Occasional commenter

    I can't believe I never replied.

    Thank-you to everyone who gave me their opinions. I actually didn't accept it. Another member from my dept. who was Assistant Ach-Co Sixth Form told me she was going to apply. So I didn't stop her, simply because she was more passionate than I was. To compensate, I gave myself a year 7 class lol.

    Do I regret it? Maybe. But whoever's following me at the moment will know my head is spinning right now!

    Thanks again!
  13. VeronicAmb

    VeronicAmb Occasional commenter

    1) Sorry, I didn't quit - I meant I would return in Sept still HoD or starting the new role as HoY.

    2) SL English leads the curriculum in a particular KS. Usually KS3. SL Media does the same for KS4/5 Media/Film courses. So that's all to do with planning, marking, SoW, homework and extra-curricula activities. I oversee them. I'm more to do with teaching, sets, behaviour, budget, pedagogy, assessments, exam analysis, targets, etc. Does that make sense?

    3) Yeah, I've always known where I want to be in the future. I don't seem the look at the present. My brain is always in "future mode". I can't see myself in classroom teaching for much longer. Maybe non-teaching posts like pastoral.
  14. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I sometimes wish I'd gone for a HOY job, I think I'd have been pretty good at it. When I see my current HOY sleepwalking though the job and doing nothing whatsoever for the kids I have even more regrets.

    Oh well....
  15. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    HoY was a poisoned chalice where I worked - many appointed, few managed to sustain it.
  16. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I was a HoD in several schools, and a HoY in one. I know which I prefer (the HoD role, of course! :)) If you are thinking of leaving teaching in a year or two, I wouldn't start a new, and challenging role, now...

    But maybe that's just me...

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