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Johnson blames care homes...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Scintillant, Jul 7, 2020.

  1. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Coronavirus: Boris Johnson criticised over care home comments

    Dr Xand van Tulleken
    I visited one of the hardest hit care homes in Peterborough. 7/18 residents died in two weeks. The only place I have visited that took every single precaution perfectly to no avail. They had no help & no guidance. They were distraught. It is appalling to blame them.It’s hard to exaggerate how much the government is lying. They had to invent every procedure themselves. Staff slept there to protect residents. I arrived and was given an egg timer set for 20 mins. They trained me (!) how to wash my hands & I did it every 20mins

    Rachel Clarke
    @doctor_oxford

    "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way they could have." This attempt by@BorisJohnson to blame care homes for 20k residents' deaths is disgraceful. Staff wore *bin bags*. No PPE. No testing. Abject govt failure.


    We hardly need to comment, do we?
     
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  2. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    The 'who is to blame' began a while back and it now seems to be in full swing. I'm surprised Starkey hasn't admitted some part in all this.
     
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  3. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Not a helpful thing for the PM to say, even though there were undoubtedly problems in the way that care homes operate - part-time staff moving infections between locations and some homes having no isolation facilities for infected residents.

    What a lot of critics forget is that the care sector is not part of the NHS and is nothing like it: it is mainly privately run, often just a family business in many cases, and has traditionally been responsible for sourcing its own supplies, including PPE.

    The ways in which all of this now needs to change should be the focus.
     
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  4. xmal

    xmal Established commenter

    I blame the policy of emptying hospitals of the elderly back to care homes without testing and irrespective of whether they had Corona or not. I don't know if that was a gvt decision or NHS but care homes are not to blame.
     
  5. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    It was a medical decision made on a case-by-case basis by doctors, although they cannot be blamed for the fact that there were insufficient tests available in order to confirm or contradict their decisions.
     
  6. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    What makes me laugh (or it would if we weren’t dealing with such a tragedy) is the way in which Johnson makes throwaway indefensible comments and then, rather than coming out to respond to the flak, sends out a lackey to shovel up his sh.it. I notice that slimy Alok Sharma is doing the rounds this morning, currently on Sky refusing to directly answer the question “Do you agree with the Prime Minister’s comment?” approximately five times.
     
  7. littlejackhorner

    littlejackhorner Occasional commenter

    Nothing surprises me any more. No wonder Boris's poll ratings have dropped. What on earth is wrong with a bit of honesty? Would he really have lost support if he said " There are a number of things that have gone wrong for care homes and maybe we have got things wrong as a government. The important thing now is that we learn from that and make sure we get things right in the future."

    Wouldn't it be refreshing if this was a typical response from ministers when things go wrong?
     
  8. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter

    What others forget is that it once was part of the NHS.

    Don't get me wrong, it was far from ideal when the NHS has geriatric wards in hospitals providing institutionalised care, but at least there was a system in place where if a scandal like this ever happened in a hospital, ministers' heads would roll.

    This is misleading. Whilst it's true there are quite a few small care homes run as family businesses, there are also many that are run by housing associations that specialise in housing the elderly. There is also a misconception that they exist entirely to take care of people living with dementia. A number of councils fund places in care homes for people of all ages who live with mental health and drug dependency issues, as well as their residents with dementia.
     
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  9. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    If you've been a liar and a charlatan all your life you can't change.

    What a poor government this is.
     
  10. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    He didn't have the guts to go on TV this morning and apologize either - sent Sharma (who never answers anything) out to try and clear up the mess.
     
  11. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Yes, geriatric hospitals and wards went the same way as most mental hospitals. Studies in the 1980s noted that common complaints were poor sanitary conditions, overcrowding on the wards, use of restraints, inadequate personal clothing, and neglect of privacy especially in toileting. Reports mention patients being put on commodes in full view of others and toilets without doors or curtains.

    I was referring to care homes rather than residential homes for the elderly. There are, of course, some big (and very good, but expensive) chains, such as Barchester, but a lot are still individual, family-run concerns. Council-run care homes are now something of a rareity. Most are privately run, with some council-funded places (generally poorly funded).
     
  12. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

  13. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    I think he said too many care homes were not following procedures.
    Anyone know what procedures care homes weren't following as I doubt that there were any at the time?
     
  14. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Sleazebag Johnson said "We discovered too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures in the way that they could have."

    And then the pitiful excuse from his bag-carrier Sharma trying to defend him by parroting the No 10 brief "that what the Prime minister made very clear was that the correct procedures weren't actually known at the time" which of course is a straight lie (about what Johnson meant) . And even if it were somehow true that is actually what Johnson meant, he would have had to say something like

    "We discovered too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures that weren't known about or indeed published in any form, in the way that they could have"

    which makes it an almost insane comment, but then.....?
     
  15. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Bit like shaking hands when you could have not.
     
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  16. modelmaker

    modelmaker Senior commenter

    So was I. Each housing association that has them uses their own terminology for that branch of their activities, but if you see "Extra Care", Residential Care" or such, it will specificably be a care home and not a residential home for people in retirement who live independently.

    They are staffed full time with a team of carers, cooks, specialist cleaners and managers and are regularly inspected by the QCC.

    Residential homes for the elderly are intended for independent living, have just a manager and employ contractors to do the cleaning etc. where it's required.

    Upmarket associations such as McCarthy and Stone will often build retirement villages with care homes on site; the attraction being that for a couple who can afford one of their homes, if one of the partners needs full-time care, a place may be available in the care home on the estate so their partner has a short walk across the grounds to visit.

    In many ways, they are very attractive places for people to spend their remaing years, as they are often set in idylic locations, have restaurants, bars and swimming pools etc in the grounds. You need a few bob in the bank and the likes of a civil servant's pension to afford to live in them though. Without any disrespect, I can't imagine anyone on here would end up in such a place.
     
  17. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer Occasional commenter

    Boris Johnson lack even the courage of his bogus convictions. He is the worst prime minister in my experience - a closely fought distinction when you consider that the field includes Eden, Heath, Blair, Brown, Cameron and May.
     
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  18. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    But there are some residential retirement homes which are for independent living, but also provide some care. Here's an example:
    https://www.mha.org.uk/retirement-living/retirement-apartments-24-hour-care/aldersgate/

    My aunt is still living independently in her one-bedroom flat - cooking for herself and dealing with her own medication, etc. However, care is available, as and when needed.
     
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  19. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Well, if students fail, it's the fault of teachers, innit? Yes, I know this is far more serious. Having said that, I sometimes wonder if some students who have had terrible lives might have had better ones had they had a different experience at school.
     
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  20. install

    install Star commenter

    Some care homes are private businesses. They should have prepared better for a potential health scare given their setting in my view rather than blaming the UK Gvt. Indeed the Gvt did mess up in its handling of the crisis but some failing Care Homes were only too happy to pass the buck in my view.
     

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