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Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by NotJohnBrownSoonUnemployed, May 3, 2012.

  1. Is it just me or has the bottom utterly dropped out of the jobs market?
  2. Is it just me or has the bottom utterly dropped out of the jobs market?
  3. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    Not at all, in a very very good school I can not employ a good it/computing teacher. Haven't been able to in 5 years.
    Unfortunately the peception is you can make a living from knowing how to use office.
    I'm at my wits end with recruitment
  4. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    Can't get good people, in a brilliant grammar school.
    Lack of average teachers is destroying my department. The problem is ICT teachers aren't good enough.
  5. What area are you?
  6. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    se london
  7. Yes, I know all about the *** out there - I would be glad to be able to recruit teachers that could teach Office Skills - WHEN A VACANCY ARISES.

    But numerically, the market is dead isn't it?
  8. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    We have work, but can't find someone that is even satisfactory. IT teacher training is a disaster.
  9. I'm looking for a new job and fancy working in a grammar or independent school next, as I want to teach mainly computing and much less if any ict and want to teach not control crowds. I have a computing degree, a masters degree and 5 years in a comp teaching up to A Level Computing. I'm looking to move but need to be able to live - SE London sounds very expensive on a teacher's salary compared to the Birmingham area. I doubt I could afford to rent a house let alone buy anywhere.
  10. Money is acceptable if you are in inner London. I think fringe and outer London allowances are unviable. Rarely see inner London jobs nowadays - general decline has hit extra hard where the 4 GCSE equivalent was so important. CAS has done a great job. Good luck with your hunt.

  11. How do you judge if someone is any good? Computing and Software Engineering degrees are irrelevant and ICT is increasingly part of most degrees. It's not about qualification, so what matters?
  12. Penny10p

    Penny10p Occasional commenter

    Yes, that's an interesting question. I think I teach well but I have never taught programming, for example. I am overseas at the moment but will probably return to the UK in a year or two and will be looking to teach in a grammar or private school. It would be great to know what the good schools are looking for as I have time to become that person!!
  13. The need for office skills will not go away but its importance is in fairly rapid terminal decline. I would suggest you need to get good at programming, good at knowing all about the inside of a pc and understand and use 'latest' ideas like cloud computing, sharing and working together on docs etc.

    Teaching programming up to A Level standard needs you to be much better than A Level. You need to be able to spot lots of different problems that pupils do at a glance and need to design programs properly so as not to instil bad habits with pupils. This will take a few years to do if you are starting from zero and working and have little time.

    Start by becoming brilliant at Scratch. Then start coding. BBCBASIC for Windows has a great tutorial that you can work through. Then look at Pascal, another great teaching language with lots of support and youtube videos. When you have mastered those three, look at Object oriented languages, starting with Greenfoot and java, then (maybe) vb.net though i'm not a vb fan.

    That is about two years of work. When done, apply to jobs, which are increasingly asking fot compting teachers now. Mine is available in 80 dayys and nights, as I retire, if you like the idea of living in Kent!
  14. C'mon mymouse - where's the evidence for that one? And even if you use them on the web for collaboration, they are still Offce skills, aren't they?
    So right!
    Not sure about the BBC Basic step and isn't Python hot, now?
  15. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    Because they can't teach and can't explain a fundementals of the AS ICT course to me. The vast majority of ICT teachers would not gain a good grade at A2 ICT let alone teach IB Computer Science.

  16. Come on. If you can do this stuff at Graduate or Post Graduate level it should be second nature to teach if you're a half decent teacher. Are you suggesting that there's something about ICT/Computing specialists that makes them inappropriate as teachers? Doesn't DJP have a similar view?

    If specialists can't teach it, who can?

    (I don't really count ICT as a specialism, rather a set of skills that people have at varying degrees of ability.)
  17. After 22 years in industry in software engineering, I was not even considered for a post in computing - but OK for Physics, technical and maths - as my degree was in electronic engineering.
    In one role I recruited a candidate to the team who had just passed a Masters degree, specialising in the tools we used at the time (MS Visual C++, object orientation, real-time software). He struggled at first but after 6 weeks admitted that he had learned more in that time than his whole time at University.
    Is there something wrong with the system?
    What is the best route into industry from an academic point of view?
  18. staxis

    staxis New commenter

    I think you may well have answered your own question. Most of the Computer Science graduates that I have mentored through PGCE have found it difficult to operate in the classroom because they are not natural communicators. They find presenting information in an accessible way difficult and their questioning skills take a long time to develop. I am sure that the skill set necessary for success with Computer Science does not overlap too much with the skill set necessary to be a successful teacher.
    There are exceptions to this of course.

  19. Most schools, in my experience, don't see industry experience as particularly useful and if you add computing you are pretty much unemployable as a teacher unless you have another subject under your belt.

    Industry requires that you can do the job. Academic qualifications don't guarantee that.

    "Those who can't, teach." "Those who can, can't teach."
  20. "Most schools, in my experience, don't see industry experience as particularly useful and if you add computing you are pretty much unemployable as a teacher unless you have another subject under your belt."

    Rubbish. I've had to be part of the recruitment process for lots of teachers and those with solid industrial experience, especially engineers, programmers, control engineers etc have usually ended up straight on the 'yes' pile rather than the 'no' or 'maybe' piles. Those with this kind of experience are usually super and can get pupils from A to B methodically. You are either bitter, twisted or both. I can only assume you have few friends and think that by posting tripe, your stature grows and people for once in your sad little life listen to you when normally they do not.

    Sad. Very sad.

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