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Job isnt what i was offered

Discussion in 'Career clinic' started by Honeypot123, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. Honeypot123

    Honeypot123 New commenter

    Can anyone help. I am an NQT and after appling for many jobs i was offered a post that was advertised for 1year full time starting September . The head contacted me after interview and said unfortunately the post was was now for 0.8 i.e 4 days but likely i could make this up covering elsewhere so i took it, i was getting fed up searching and thought it was a good startand she said i could still complete my Induction year.
    Since then i have been really messed about. I have now found out that the head has had to make budget cuts and has reduced my hours to 3.5 days for one term only( The head did not inform me of this) i found out by calling into the school to prepare the classroom for september and the TA told me.
    I have emailed the head who said sorry but yes contract was now 1 term only and then she would review it. I am so upset i will not be able to complete my NQT year as hoped. The job was advertised full time but i still have not signed a contract.

    What would others do. Should i still take it or start from scratch when jobs come out again in January. I never even applied for part time jobs only full time
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Since time is short I suggest you take this as a stop-gap but make it very plain when you start in September that you want a full time position and start looking immediately.
  3. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I agree with @peakster
    This job is better than no job, no question about it. You could sign up to do supply teaching on your days off, though your school may well need you on those days anyway and so you end up with full time.

    Don't wait for January to apply for new posts, start looking now or in September. You should have a chat with your head very early in the term and let her know you are looking for full time and will need to use her as a referee, hoping to secure something for January. She may well suddenly realise the budget is able to keep you!

    Ask on the NQT forum to check, but I have a vague idea you can be signed off from your NQT year as soon as you can show you have met all the standards, it doesn't have to be a full year any more. That means that you may well be able to get your first term signed off in this school, even if you aren't full time. Make sure you are registered with the LA though...not all schools remember to do this!

    Try not to be too upset. It will probably all work out very well in the end.
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  4. DrEmmaKell

    DrEmmaKell New commenter

    This seems like very poor show on the part of the school, and you are justified in feeling frustrated. I am in agreement with the posters above. If it works out for both you and the school, they may well extend it (more and more schools are offering shorter contracts in the short term).

    Go for it, and get applying for full-time employment from January. It will count towards part of your NQT year, so insist on your full entitlement of support!
  5. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    Something seems odd to me: that a TA would know this and that it is only for a term. the students will still need teaching. i suspect that once you stert that you might find out that there is more to this.
  6. Honeypot123

    Honeypot123 New commenter

  7. Honeypot123

    Honeypot123 New commenter

    Thanks for all your helpful replies. I don't feel I have a choice but to take the job and look for another. Just worry it will be hard once in post to get time off for interviews or explain in an application why I am leaving a school I have only just started at without sounding unprofessional. I also don't know how budgets work but surely this was known when they advertised. I was shortlisted Against 10 candidates and felt proud when I got it now I wonder if it was the plan all along to change my hours/ length of contract once I verbally accepted the post with me been an NQT rather than them employing a teacher with experience.
  8. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    To say they couldn't organise a drinks-party in a place that specialises in drinks-parties is putting it mildly.

    But you have to take it now.

    AND look around you for January. These people don't deserve any loyalty so keep your eyes open.

    I hope you're in a union. Don't forget this important step.
  9. DrEmmaKell

    DrEmmaKell New commenter

    There could be many reasons for it and it may not be anything sinister. Not surprised a TA knew the situation as they can be the most powerful eyes and ears of a school, but it's shoddy that that's how you found out.
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  10. SCAW12

    SCAW12 Occasional commenter

    Sorry to hear this Honeypot123. Go in with a positive attitude and work hard. Let it be known you want a full year with more hours and you will be looking for this. If they spot your potential you may be staying. Good luck!
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  11. Honeypot123

    Honeypot123 New commenter

    Thanks again for your comments very helpful and feel a bit better now. Will start the job and see what happens thanks again to you all
  12. pennyh.

    pennyh. Occasional commenter

    Yes start looking now for jobs and make it plain you expect full support to find one. You should be looking around from now. Then act your socks off about having a great time etc etc so they can't stitch you up for being a grumbler. Do join a union -you never know when you need help and advice.
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  13. mrs-badger

    mrs-badger Occasional commenter

    I think you can be totally honest in interviews and state that while you felt you had no choice but to uphold your commitment to the school, you ultimately feel that a full time and permanent position will be the most beneficial to you and to the children you teach. The professional way you have dealt with this thus far indicates to me you will be snatched up by a lucky school :)
  14. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Lead commenter

    Yes, as @mrs-badger says, don't be afraid to explain honestly and diplomatically in an interview why you are looking for a new post so soon. I would be surprised if any future employer wasn't completely understanding regarding the situation you have been put in. Do feel that you can check at interview that a post is full-time and permanent and make sure in your letter of acceptance you put in writing the key features of the post you are accepting. "I understand that this post is full-time and permanent." Make sure the terms on which you are being employed and the salary are in writing so the goal-posts can't keep changing. Don't accept oral assurances - any promises about changes to your work or pay should be in writing, @Honeypot123.
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  15. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    The school is in breach of the contract you accepted: a 0.8 post. The contract was formed at the point at which you accepted the offer and is not reliant on a written contract having been produced.

    Interesting range of options but the most sensible is to look immediately for a full-time post elsewhere.

    If you just accept the reduced hours, without saying anything, you may be deemed to have accepted the variation of the contract by consent. A technical point (on which you should not act without confirmation by appropriate legal advice from union or similar), but if you accept the change making clear that it is 'under protest' and asserting that the contract you accepted is 0.8, you then have the flexibility to leave to move to a new job without the stated notice, should you find one and leave your options open to sue the school for the difference between what you agreed and what they have provided.
  16. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Lead commenter

    @GLsghost - may I just ask you: when the Headteacher phones and offers you the job and you accept, I understand that a verbal agreement has been made. However, there are not usually any witnesses to this, so I've always thought a written offer and written acceptance are crucial for both sides to state what they think is being offered/accepted. I myself have experienced a verbal offer followed by some ingenious backtracking (this was a long time ago) but it's made me very wary of verbal assurances which aren't followed up or backed up in writing. (I decided I didn't want the job I was initially offered verbally all those years ago, but I felt at the time that, if I had wanted it, I could have made a point).
  17. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    Technically, once an offer is made and accepted, for a 'consideration' (their money; your labour) and there is an intention to create a legal relationship, then a legally-binding contract is in place.

    The weakness in that - as you have identified - is that it can then come down to whose word is believed. What people commonly refer to as their 'contract', which is in fact the s1 statement of the written terms and conditions in the contract, does not have to be given until two months after the start date.

    @TheoGriff has always suggested - and it is good advice - that it is wise to follow up a verbal offer / acceptance with an email, thanking the school for the offer and setting out the main terms accepted, along the lines of:

    "I am just writing to thank you again for your offer of a post as a full-time teacher of Mathematics, across key stages 3 - 5, from September 2016. We agreed that I would be paid at UPS 3 and given a company Ferrari...yadayada...

    "I very much enjoyed meeting the staff and children and am looking forward to joining the team in September."

    This way you have created your own written, contemporaneous record of what was agreed, date and time-stamped and have it to fall back on, should you ever need it.
  18. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Lead commenter

    Many thanks for that, @GLsghost - very helpful advice!
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  19. Honeypot123

    Honeypot123 New commenter

    Thanks again for above comments. I now need further advice if you have time ! After I originally accepted the above job another school I attended for interview also offered me a job. This was a permanent f/t post but I turned it down as felt I should be loyal to the first job offer. I am so fed up now about all the changes the head has made that I contacted the head of the school that I turned down to see if he was expecting any jobs to come up. I was delighted today when he informed me the job was still available and as I had been through interview he could still offer it to me to start in September. I am going to accept as feel so let down by my treatment and want to work at a school that I feel valued. Any thoughts on this and in particular what should I say in an e mail that says I am no longer willing to accept the job based on been messed around so much!!
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  20. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    OK...the 'normal' rule, that you will hear repeated again and again on here, is that if you have accepted a contract you cannot back out and go to another job or you will be in breach of contract.

    This situation is different and unusual. The contract you accepted is the one you were offered: 0.8. What you are now being offered is different and it is the school that is in breach of contract. It is actually an 'anticipatory breach' because the date for the contract to be 'performed' (i.e. the start date) has not yet arrived, but you have been told that they will breach the contract by giving you fewer hours.

    You have two choices: to walk away from the broken contract or to 'affirm' it, by waiting until the first day and then suing the school for breach of contract.

    Your preferred option is to walk away. You need to write a letter to the effect:

    "Dear Headteacher

    On xxxxx I was offered and accepted a 0.8 post as teacher of xxxx for one year, commencing 1 September 2016.

    On xxxxx you informed me by letter / email (whatever it was) that you were now offering me fewer hours, for one term. This is a fundamental breach of the contract established between us on xxxxxx.

    Since you have repudiated the contract made between us, I am not bound by it. Regretably, I shall not now be joining the staff of xxxxx School from 1 September."

    I hope you were completely open with the new school about the reason for your availability? You have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong, but a vexacious Head from the first school might ring the second and bad-mouth you. Better that the second Head knows the story first.

    This strays into 'advice' rather than the information I usually give. Do not act on this without running it past your union first.

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