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J.K. Rowling

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Spoofer4114, Dec 19, 2019.

  1. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

  2. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    what for? I can't click on that link
  3. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Article titled:

    J.K. Rowling Criticized For Defending a Woman Fired For Transphobic Comments

    And I've just seen JK has tweeted this:

    J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling

    Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2019
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  4. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

  5. kittylion

    kittylion Senior commenter

    I don't see that it's transphobic to state that sex is a biological fact.
  6. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    so a woman was sacked for stating the scientific fact that a man cannot turn into a woman, and JKRowling is attacked for defending her.?

    This is akin to nazi race science. Utter gibberish, but the general population will go along with it, largely out of fear, some out of ignorance, and very few out of genuine conviction.

    A man can become a transwoman. That is a MAN with a woman's name, in woman's clothing, maybe taking woman's hormones and with cosmetic surgery to make their body superficially and cosmetically appear slightly more feminine. That is not a woman.

    A woman's name, woman's clothing, woman's hormones and with cosmetic surgery is not what makes you a woman.

    What makes you a woman is being born the sex that produces eggs, and a body that is designed to undergo menstruation, pregnancy, child birth, breast feeding and menopause, (whether it does or it doesn't undergo all these things) Generally being smaller, weaker and less aggressive than men, with lower muscle mass, higher voices and smaller hands and feet, statistically being more prone to certain diseases that are more likely to affect women, and having different toileting needs.

    and having a different socialisation, and being disadvantaged by the different expectations and traditions, hence the need for positive discrimination and considerations for the differences.

    Names and clothing doesn't even come into it. Cosmetic surgery to imitate a woman's body is just an imitation, nothing real. Cutting a hole into a man does not create a vagina. A vagina is not a hole. It is an organ.

    And yet you can get sacked for saying that!

    We are in a situation whereby transwomen can take women's places in woman only jobs, in woman's sports, and in woman's gyms, changing rooms, refuges, and prisons. Transwomen can force women to accept them performing intimate medical or personal procedures on them, even if the women concerned specify they want the procedure done by a woman. And transwoman can force women to perform intimate medical and personal procedures on them too.

    All based on the fraudulant claim that transwomen are women, They are not, but it is effectively illegal to say so. You can get sacked. You can get banned. I could be sacked or banned because of what I have written here.

    JK Rowling is very brave for standing up for the truth.

    But how on earth have we reached a situation whereby it is BRAVE to state scientific truth?
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  7. Koshkat

    Koshkat New commenter

    Excellent post Corvuscorax. As you say. how the hell did we get to the point where stating scientific fact is brave? And how on earth is it construed as transphobic?

    JKR is a clever woman and knew the **** storm that this would bring down on her head. Women stating truths are less popular than ever these days.
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  8. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    It's a fact but to state that fact (or believe it) is transphobic.
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  9. Koshkat

    Koshkat New commenter

    Especially if this fact is stated by a woman...
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  10. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Excellent posting. Yes, like a few things nowadays, telling the truth is a hate crime.
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  11. install

    install Star commenter

    More and more we live in a Orwellian world of '1984' where for example 2+2 does not and must not equal the obvious answer. It's a bit like 'unlearning' what we have all been taught to be true.

    Very soon, I have no doubt that people will blame schools for not teaching 'adapted facts'. And some may even blame writers for having no characters that represent every single element of our society.
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2019
  12. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    The Maya Forstater case is extraordinary. A judge at an employment tribunal has ruled that her employer was justified in sacking her because, among other things, she misgendered this SNP councillor when she referred to them as “he”.


    We are going wrong somewhere.
  13. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    So - stating that a trans woman is a biological man automatically means you are transphobic and committing a hate crime.... Criticising the actions of the Israeli State automatically means you are antisemitic and committing a hate crime... Criticising aspects of the religion of Islam automatically means you are islamophobic and committing a hate crime... See where we have got to now? What will be next - all you posters who criticise Christianity - will you be committing hate crimes too?
  14. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    This is what the judge in the Maya Forstater case said.

    “There is nothing to stop [Maya Forstater from] campaigning against the proposed revision to the Gender Recognition Act to be based more on self-identification. She is entitled to put forward her opinion that these should be some spaces that are limited to women assigned female at birth where it is appropriate means of achieving a legitimate aim. “However, that does not mean that her absolutist view that sex is immutable is a protected belief for the purposes of the [Equality Act]. [Forstater] can legitimately put forward her arguments about the importance of some safe spaces that are only available to women identified female at birth, without insisting on calling trans women men.”

    Judge James Tayler
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  15. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

  16. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Yes but all this nonsense only gets traction because people buy into it for political/tribal reasons not because it's true. They know fine well someone who has had a sex change is not a biological man/woman, they know fine well that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic and they know fine well that criticism of Islam does not mean you hate muslims. The fruitcakes and those with ill intentions fill people's heads with these ideas but the ones who continue on with the nonsense are also very much part of the problem.
  17. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    In this case though the person ‘buying into it’ is a judge and a woman has been told that her ‘bigotry’ was, “incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others.” She has lost her career and professional reputation because of her “absolutist view”. This ruling will inevitably contribute toward setting legal precedence in subsequent cases like this, imo it’s a very precarious road we are currently travelling down.
  18. ms honey

    ms honey Occasional commenter

    Just ridiculous! One wonders where, and when, it will all end. Although, as demonstrated on here, I believe most people agree with Rowling. Those in the public eye are terrified of offending anyone or anything, which is part of the problem, along with social media.
  19. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Travelling down? We’re there! Unless it’s going to get worse...
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  20. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    I agree. Unfortunately it’s not fruitcakes, it’s policy enshrined in law.
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